Can we please nerf Wong already

[onedudesmind]

Have him just double the next effect, not every other one. !2 times today i have faced the Wong/Black Panther deck... 12. Yes he has counters so does everything else everyone complains about... This card has been OP since the beginning It should be just the next effect.

[Koori_89]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zlehtnoba:

Yes, but when a card is not meta for a long time, you stop playing counters for it. And if you then go for, say, Discard or Destroy with no way to interact with Wong, you can get wrecked by him. Same applies to, say, Galactus.

enchantress, rogue and cosmo are cards that any deck can tech in and people are doing just that especially enchantress/rogue since ms marvel is meta so crying about wong is only because he has no experience with the game whatsoever

A large % of the people who complain are not S3 complete, it takes quite a lot to get to 4300+ CL. They don't have all the cards to complete every META deck they see content creators playing or trackers showing on their META deck page, so they play sub optimal with what they have. "Destroy" is a prime example where if you don't have the full META deck, you are at a disadvantage or at least will have a hard time winning without compared to someone who has Nico, Knull, x 23, and in some cases late S3 cards (DP and Venom) due to the RNG. Once Destroy gets better options, it abandons bucky sabertooth and nova for better options. With that in mind, just telling players to tech up , ends up making the deck weaker. Lets not kid anyone a rogue, an enchantress or a Cosmo, hurt Destroy, yet they counter Wong.

Such players don't need shouting, mocking or talking down on, its not helping anyone. There are many way to go around wong, even if its an annoyingly stupid card to play vs, but it comes with experience and games, laughing at them doesn't provide anything helpful, at ALL.

People have to options, especially on hot location day , play meta or play counter meta. But its not that easy. Likewise we can choose how to respond to them, to be a jerk mocking or to be helpful. It's always easier to pick on people than to help them.

[Rematin]

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enchantress, rogue and cosmo are cards that any deck can tech in and people are doing just that especially enchantress/rogue since ms marvel is meta so crying about wong is only because he has no experience with the game whatsoever

A large % of the people who complain are not S3 complete, it takes quite a lot to get to 4300+ CL. They don't have all the cards to complete every META deck they see content creators playing or trackers showing on their META deck page, so they play sub optimal with what they have. "Destroy" is a prime example where if you don't have the full META deck, you are at a disadvantage or at least will have a hard time winning without compared to someone who has Nico, Knull, x 23, and in some cases late S3 cards (DP and Venom) due to the RNG. Once Destroy gets better options, it abandons bucky sabertooth and nova for better options. With that in mind, just telling players to tech up , ends up making the deck weaker. Lets not kid anyone a rogue, an enchantress or a Cosmo, hurt Destroy, yet they counter Wong.

Such players don't need shouting, mocking or talking down on, its not helping anyone. There are many way to go around wong, even if its an annoyingly stupid card to play vs, but it comes with experience and games, laughing at them doesn't provide anything helpful, at ALL.

People have to options, especially on hot location day , play meta or play counter meta. But its not that easy. Likewise we can choose how to respond to them, to be a jerk mocking or to be helpful. It's always easier to pick on people than to help them.

what the hell are you talking about, destroy is the best deck in the game right now and ok it doesnt run tech cards, its because it wins with sheer power against most decks. wong can out point destroy? oh so just like any card game there are decks that counter another decks? so nerf wong because with right set up it can dish out more points than deck X or Y? people are mocking players like this because they dont ask for help, they are just whining about something they dont even understand. one point i can agree with u is the fact that card acquistion is horrible in this game, even if you pay, but thats the problem in motenasation of the game not the game design itself.

[Koori_89]

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what the hell are you talking about, destroy is the best deck in the game right now and ok it doesnt run tech cards, its because it wins with sheer power against most decks. wong can out point destroy? oh so just like any card game there are decks that counter another decks? so nerf wong because with right set up it can dish out more points than deck X or Y? people are mocking players like this because they dont ask for help, they are just whining about something they dont even understand. one point i can agree with u is the fact that card acquistion is horrible in this game, even if you pay, but thats the problem in motenasation of the game not the game design itself.

I will try to make my point without watering it down. These people complain because they are lower CL, they meet someone with more luck who got Wong early S3 due to RNG, and they feel like they are facing a wall because their decks aren't optimal. I was using Destroy ONLY for an example. A META Destroy deck can outpoint wong white tiger, like its nothing, and with some good draws. Its the subpar Deck versions of Destroy that can't keep up, and resort to tech cards, which additionally gimp the build, because they read up and people tell them just run card X.
They don't ask for help initially, because it's an emotional response, like tripping into a coffee table and swearing at it. You can mock the person or you can give out empathy. The latter would net a much better rapport to help them.

[Rematin]

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what the hell are you talking about, destroy is the best deck in the game right now and ok it doesnt run tech cards, its because it wins with sheer power against most decks. wong can out point destroy? oh so just like any card game there are decks that counter another decks? so nerf wong because with right set up it can dish out more points than deck X or Y? people are mocking players like this because they dont ask for help, they are just whining about something they dont even understand. one point i can agree with u is the fact that card acquistion is horrible in this game, even if you pay, but thats the problem in motenasation of the game not the game design itself.

I will try to make my point without watering it down. These people complain because they are lower CL, they meet someone with more luck who got Wong early S3 due to RNG, and they feel like they are facing a wall because their decks aren't optimal. I was using Destroy ONLY for an example. A META Destroy deck can outpoint wong white tiger, like its nothing, and with some good draws. Its the subpar Deck versions of Destroy that can't keep up, and resort to tech cards, which additionally gimp the build, because they read up and people tell them just run card X.
They don't ask for help initially, because it's an emotional response, like tripping into a coffee table and swearing at it. You can mock the person or you can give out empathy. The latter would net a much better rapport to help them.

empathy should be earned and not given out free because it sets bad example and encourages whining and crying, instead they should ask "why is this the way it is" instead of "oh nooo i lost to this, its so stupid plz nerf". The mentality to treat everyone like children is just wrong and makes this community worse. Treat them like adults and if they act like children do not encourage that.

[Speaker For The Dead]

I only use one series 4 card (Zabu) and only 3 (I think) series 3. All others are 1 or 2.

I don't get to infinite often (only once) but I blow through to level 80 every month very quickly. You don't have to play the meta to be successful in this game. You do have to intuit what your opponent is trying to do.

I think too many players focus on their own deck and don't really analyze their opponents properly.

[yeeck]

Today, latest update on my play vs Mr Wong!
On Turn 5, mr wong, mystique, hazmat! And it has 4 cards on hand???

OMG.....
This must be that lazy but KIND bot.
And to those guys out there still complaining about playing against bots, PLEASE enjoy that moment you have, before you get thrash by these guys above, saying, self-claiming themselves at higher levels, cards owner, top of food chain/ranking, meta games players blah blah blah

FYI, your opinions are OK, but do not try to apply them on everyone or even assuming/using majorities/statistics.
To me, any games that required rounds play, 1 turn kill-winning the game is DESTROYING the game. And that's all.
It's Death Note, it's Overlord, it's My Instant Death Ability Is So Overpowered.
(By the way, these are anime series title)
It's fun on one side, but on the other side, it's not as a whole in the name of GAME.
If the developers think Mr Wong is ok, so be it, as long as they accept/respect every players' opinion.

I SUGGEST, you guys can give all your opinion/suggestion as you like, to counter Mr Wong/game play or what, but try not to tell players that they are a weak, low levels, no money to buy better cards or telling them, this game is not suitable for you?

Oh come on, do you really want to repeat these saying on every NERF discussion?
Please be nice, be kind, Share your experience/knowledge/strategy of your game play.
If you think OP is lazy, stupid, low rank player, do not have enough cards to counter, it's a frustration to you, stop posting in any of these Nerf discussion.
Stop entertaining them.
Because to you, you are at another world, top of world.
I am not, that's why I am here to discuss.

PS;
Do not get me wrong. I hate the Nerf discussion as it is growing everyday. It's almost like everything needs to be nerfed. And the developers.... no comment (I am sure they are listening and loving it, as long as there is something to read on Marvel Snap discussion).

[Starwhite]

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empathy should be earned and not given out free because it sets bad example and encourages whining and crying, instead they should ask "why is this the way it is" instead of "oh nooo i lost to this, its so stupid plz nerf". The mentality to treat everyone like children is just wrong and makes this community worse. Treat them like adults and if they act like children do not encourage that.

When I started playing Hearthstone as my first CCG back in beta, I didn't cry all the time that others had more legendary cards than me. A big part of the fun was opening those packs and when I finally got that legendary card I was missing from a strong deck, the feeling was amazing. Same thing with MTGA and now Snap. Instead of crying about what I don't have or losing because I don't have this or that card and the opponent dares to play cards too, I just have fun playing with the cards I have. And when I get a new strong card that allows me to play some new fun deck or revitalize an old favorite it still feels amazing.

Kids need to learn how CCGs work before playing and stop crying when they don't get everything right now. I'd say there are 3 best ways to play one

-Grind F2P with amazing skills to show off how much stronger you are than paying opponents
-Buy a season pass and maybe some cheap bundle every now and then and have fun playing
-Whale/streamer out, buy everything and show your collection off while having slightly better chances of competing at the top level

[SWENinja]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από onedudesmind:

Have him just double the next effect, not every other one. !2 times today i have faced the Wong/Black Panther deck... 12. Yes he has counters so does everything else everyone complains about... This card has been OP since the beginning It should be just the next effect.

get a Enchantress or rogue and case closed.

[Starwhite]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SWENinja:

get a Enchantress or rogue and case closed.

But that would require using tech cards and also be good against Darkhawk, Ms Marvel, Devil Dino, Cerebro and many other ongoing cards.

[Zlehtnoba]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από yeeck:

Today, latest update on my play vs Mr Wong!
On Turn 5, mr wong, mystique, hazmat! And it has 4 cards on hand???

OMG.....
This must be that lazy but KIND bot.
And to those guys out there still complaining about playing against bots, PLEASE enjoy that moment you have, before you get thrash by these guys above, saying, self-claiming themselves at higher levels, cards owner, top of food chain/ranking, meta games players blah blah blah

I mean, it's really obvious, but Cosmo is there in pool one for Wong and other annoying On reveal cards. And these tech cards (Killmonger, Armor, Shang, Sandman, even Leech) are all at most pool two exactly so that low CL players can counter the powerful cards and combos not yet available to them.

[yeeck]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zlehtnoba:

I mean, it's really obvious, but Cosmo is there in pool one for Wong and other annoying On reveal cards. And these tech cards (Killmonger, Armor, Shang, Sandman, even Leech) are all at most pool two exactly so that low CL players can counter the powerful cards and combos not yet available to them.

eeerr.... wait, who what where when how why?
I know cosmo, my avatar and my back card (cosmetic) is cosmo ya
Wait, I am also not the main whiner here, as I am just taking the opportunity to feedback about Mr Wong, on my recent encounter with him. He is such a bad as s.
And making fun of onedudesmind for nerfing Mr Wong. LOL!

FYI, onedudesmind is talking about Mr Wong, oh yes, particularly on Mr Wong.
Mr Wong Turn 1, Mr Wong Turn 2, Mr Wong Turn 3, Mr Wong Turn 4, fast forward to Mr Wong Last Turn 6 or 7.
But I am specifically saying Mr Wong at final turn 6 or 7 ya or with a location / IW support too.

Assuming that you hit a jackpot, putting Cosmo on right timing and right location.
Well done. you just won the game with 8 cubes.
You are right about suggesting Cosmo or Sandman but not to those who are suggesting enchantress or rogue.
These guys are still sleeping and dreaming about Mr Wong Turn 4.
They still think they are able enchant/steal Mr Wong heart on Turn 6 or 7. Unbelievable.

Anyway, I just gave my opinion here. One turn combo game win is not health. I did describe the details of my game play vs Mr Negative Wong above.
Cheers!

[Zlehtnoba]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από yeeck:

Anyway, I just gave my opinion here. One turn combo game win is not health. I did describe the details of my game play vs Mr Negative Wong above.
Cheers!

Sorry, my bad.

Many players would not agree with you, they enjoy this style of play. I love Sera Control, btw.

[Taonath]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3152889408

[yeeck]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zlehtnoba:

I love Sera Control, btw.

Good for you.
Wave is no longer your obstacles.

har... I see that guy (above) playing the hammer guys + magneto.

[unlimitedskyuran]

Yesterday I played conquest against a guy with an Iron lad. Iron lad hit Doctor Doom in two games in a row. Let's nerf him too.