Can we please nerf Wong already

[onedudesmind]

Have him just double the next effect, not every other one. !2 times today i have faced the Wong/Black Panther deck... 12. Yes he has counters so does everything else everyone complains about... This card has been OP since the beginning It should be just the next effect.

[yeeck]

LOL!
I begin to learn how to enjoy nerfing.

Let's see how the developers are going to handle Mr Wong,
Black Panther is still OK for me, as long as the way to double his power is not too easy to achieve,

Mr Wong is difference. He is at another powerful support level.

[yeeck]

Originally posted by Death Caster:

Wong is very telegraphed and dies to Alioth, Magneto, Aero, Juggernaut, SpiderMan, Rogue, Ench, Cosmo, Lady D (it is funny when players use Lady D as tech), and many more depending upon the match situation.
He is a meh card at high Elo coz players just instantly counter it or retreat. Currently in popularity coz BRB is out, tbh BRB Wong stuff dies horribly to counters that it's funny.

Thank you bro, on your meaningful explanation,
Here is my thingy, playing rush/attacking deck is always more easier/consistent than playing a counter/defensive deck, as you need to have some level of IQ / EQ level to stay defensive-to-counter.
But when you are able to play a combo deck (technically required 1-2-3 steps only to win), if the combo kicks off, you will be a winner. Of course, in most of the time, you failed to combo, you died horribly.

However, here in Marvel, very encouraging, you have a privilege to RETREAT.
No combo, Just retreat. Lose 1 point only. Unlike other similar game, you retreat, you will lose a game.
When I can combo (which require 1-2-3 steps), will try to bluff my way up +8.
That's a very common and similar to playing poker.
WHAT IF, a combo (1 step only) can kick off at the very last minute/turn?

I tell you.
I will either play that Combo deck (to annoy everyone) or stop playing with anyone who uses the combo deck or the game itself. Hope I do make my point here. I am so lazy and tired. LOL.

Nerf the whole deck? No way. Just find the culprit. If MrWong is not the MVP? Who else is?

[Blind Reverend]

Doesn't need a nerf, if the most common ingame tech cards work against it.

If you don't put any counter/tech card in your deck, well then better retreat, if someone throws Wong on the board. --> Problem solved.

[Si]

He would need to be much cheaper if he did that, sounds a bit like Grandmaster.

As mentioned, many counters work against him. Cosmo/Enchantress/Rogue are the obvious ones.

Armor can stop the Panther/Zola combo. Shang Chi can disrupt it before he Zola's it. Juggernaut works great too against that and Odin.

Lady Deathstrike also, although not many decks utilize her well. But the above cards are common enough.

[GloryToGod]

Valkyrie against panther/zola is funny turning the big black cat into a little meow

[his1roguenation]

A little bit more and we have a thread asking for a nerf for every single card there is.

[Nikki6]

wong is crazy. in my opinion. im also only collector level 580ish. but that card is wild

[Taonath]

Originally posted by Nikki6:

wong is crazy. in my opinion. im also only collector level 580ish. but that card is wild

At your CL it might seem that way, but it actually isn't. Wong is perfectly fine as it is.

[kingts]

Ok a civil discussion on WONG, part of the potential NERF topic
He is on the rise, probably do the recent themed month of ON Reveal boost card implementations.

He is around 28-30th rank, but awful win/rate stats at around 52 percent when drawn, not a great cube share and a very specific game play with 2-3 turns to pull off.
He has hard counters too, if you get caught by Wong, because your specific 12 card construct has no outs for Wong's effects of either surging power, duplication on lanes or card disrupt effects, then its not the card that is the issue is it. I mean Kamar Taj is Wong too.

Realistically, would altering his ability to "first card played" reduce his impact, absolutely, but then you are basically icing his usage.
Is his energy and power fine, yep, not increasing either.

Does hurting him, hurt the On Reveal theme, yep, but are there enough other cards that if you limit him to basically one card use, hurt the overall theme of On Reveal, say with Grandmaster, Shuri, and others in the game, Yes and no.

I would say Wong, civilly is on watch. It would depend what other modes are entering the game where a WONG as is, is problematic to that mode like any card would be, but we have no idea what those modes are.
Wong, and his location Kamar Taj-force you to consider having a counter card on hand in case.
Why you see a lot of Rogue, Cosmo (everywhere), Shang Chi, Shadow Kings ready to pounce in case.

I say-No they don't adjust Wong, but depending what comes out, potential tweak to his ability. Possible.

Peace gang.

[onedudesmind]

I'm at CL 8500+, been playing this a long time. Wong is OP, cost vs what he can do. i suppose they could make him 5 cost and that would solve alot of the issues as well. No i do not believe i should have keep a card in my deck just to counter Wong or escape. But right now if you see Wong and you don't have a counter you pretty much have to escape, he has way to many game ending interactions, that pretty much guarantee a win if you cannot counter him. He's a great card, just broken in alot of situations and there are many cards that have been changed that were way less game breaking.

[kingts]

Originally posted by onedudesmind:

I'm at CL 8500+, been playing this a long time. Wong is OP, cost vs what he can do. i suppose they could make him 5 cost and that would solve alot of the issues as well. No i do not believe i should have keep a card in my deck just to counter Wong or escape. But right now if you see Wong and you don't have a counter you pretty much have to escape, he has way to many game ending interactions, that pretty much guarantee a win if you cannot counter him. He's a great card, just broken in alot of situations and there are many cards that have been changed that were way less game breaking.

You rank is irrelevant to the topic, but your opinion of the card is fine.

Again, is he OP, no, but because of the theme of the month, and pass cards that are using the On Reveal effect, and you have no counter to that 2-3 turn situation, then of-course he is a problem and I was clear, people in the high Meta have a specific theme they are playing.
She-Naut, Lock-down, Thanos Lockjaw, whatever, so it becomes in a match in rank, who implements his idea faster and more efficiently in a 2 lane game. Alot of other factors in a match than simply, WONG, you win. sorry I disagree.

I have no issue with your opinion, is he problematic unchecked, just like Kamar Taj, yep.

However, I also see strong Non Wong decks in the Meta that out-power and out maneuver his usage.
Going to a 5 cost, would end his usage in a 6 turn game.
Increasing his power, would be the wrong choice.
Limiting his ability to a one card usage, possible.
I think WONG is on watch, but as a card in the Meta, his stats do not support your OP claim.
Be well.

[yeeck]

Originally posted by Death Caster:

I get your point, to me playing Wong is like playing solitaire, you have to go high and hope to not get countered. It's like I cook big no.s and if they are also using a big no. deck I will possibly win. On the other hand, if they run counters they win. Sometimes ruining an opponent's strategy is what it takes to win.

oh man... you get my point but the way your reply is disappointed me.

The moment I paid 8 cubes in Turn 7 to see that fireworks, I already knew what I am dealing with and I am the one who is thinking/cracking my head/worrying.on how to stop him. Meanwhile, that guy is just having so much of relax/fun winning at very last moment with all his grand fireworks.
I am going to be like him now. LOL!
You go equip yourself with cosmo and whoever, whatever, but I have the Mr Wong and Retreat, waiting for youuuuuu.

OK OK I respect your opinion, and do not let me see you start using Mr Wong deck ya,

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by yeeck:

Originally posted by Death Caster:

I get your point, to me playing Wong is like playing solitaire, you have to go high and hope to not get countered. It's like I cook big no.s and if they are also using a big no. deck I will possibly win. On the other hand, if they run counters they win. Sometimes ruining an opponent's strategy is what it takes to win.

oh man... you get my point but the way your reply is disappointed me.

The moment I paid 8 cubes in Turn 7 to see that fireworks, I already knew what I am dealing with and I am the one who is thinking/cracking my head/worrying.on how to stop him. Meanwhile, that guy is just having so much of relax/fun winning at very last moment with all his grand fireworks.
I am going to be like him now. LOL!
You go equip yourself with cosmo and whoever, whatever, but I have the Mr Wong and Retreat, waiting for youuuuuu.

OK OK I respect your opinion, and do not let me see you start using Mr Wong deck ya,

Magneto says hi.

I ruin so many peoples last turn wong plans with Magneto. And its not even a tech card, it just shuts down the wong lane on its own 99% of the time by yanking wong and mystique if they played it out.

[Starwhite]

Originally posted by onedudesmind:

I'm at CL 8500+, been playing this a long time. Wong is OP, cost vs what he can do. i suppose they could make him 5 cost and that would solve alot of the issues as well. No i do not believe i should have keep a card in my deck just to counter Wong or escape. But right now if you see Wong and you don't have a counter you pretty much have to escape, he has way to many game ending interactions, that pretty much guarantee a win if you cannot counter him. He's a great card, just broken in alot of situations and there are many cards that have been changed that were way less game breaking.

Just play a better deck that puts out more power and problem solved. He's nowhere near broken, not even that strong like proven as a fact by stats. Why do people want to kill the game by nerfing any card with any power or comboes? The correct solution is to buff the weaker cards so people have several strong decks to play with.

[onedudesmind]

LOL just make sure you keep a card in your deck so you can counter Wong, seems to be the main argument in not nerfing him... Having to keep a card or cards in your deck just to counter Wong, shows why he is broken.