We suck at getting scrap

[Canyonlurkerr]

we (Me + my sibling) have been playing two-player lethal company games. I've seen videos where players bring in 500+ scrap every moon, and so far we haven't even touched that amount because we're cowards. Anyone got any advice?

[ernesto]

(dont use this advice if you're new and want to experience the genuine lethal company experience, the funny goofs and horrors)(this advice is mainly for sweatys - those who take the game way too seriously)

You can practice without any monsters using gamemaster (or any mod that removes monsters), and you can use minimap(mod) to get familiar with how the map can be generated and where scrap can spawn(toggling it off to practice map awareness). You and your friend can try playing without monsters first, getting scrap, and once you're ready you can add them back in. With gamemaster you can also practice against each monster one at a time, you'll need a shovel for that.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3134828567

use this to learn the different maps of the moons
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3075328887

[Clientofwar]

Originally posted by mloth:

You can practice without any monsters using gamemaster (or any mod that removes monsters), and you can use minimap(mod) to get familiar with how the map can be generated and where scrap can spawn(toggling it off to practice map awareness). You and your friend can try playing without monsters first, getting scrap, and once you're ready you can add them back in. With gamemaster you can also practice against each monster one at a time, you'll need a shovel for that.

Why would you practice without monsters? That defeats the whole purpose of the game and does not help in any way shape or form to play the game normally.

Also don't be that guy and use the Mini-map mod. That's basically cheating and completely ruins the game. If you use the mini-map mod there is absolutely no reason for anyone to be on the ship guiding you. It's 100% cheating and I kick anyone I find using it.

[ernesto]

The mods are just for practice, I'm giving them this advice since they seem to be inexperienced and afraid of the unknown. Same for the minimap mod, it can take some time getting used to navigating the maze and memorizing your route in and out the maze, obviously you shouldnt be using these mods in game with people, this is just for practice. By removing the enemies you isolate one aspect of the game, which can help you practice navigating easier. And with minimap you can isolate navigating, so you can focus on practicing combat against the enemies.

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Just be aware of monster’s weaknesses and strengths and it’ll be easier to manage the fear. For example, always check your six if you suspect a Bracken is loose. Always listen for Thumper proximity audio and the directions it moves in. If a light flickers and it isnt your team ♥♥♥♥♥♥ around, be mindful of your sanity meter.

[Clientofwar]

Originally posted by mloth:

The mods are just for practice, I'm giving them this advice since they seem to be inexperienced and afraid of the unknown. Same for the minimap mod, it can take some time getting used to navigating the maze and memorizing your route in and out the maze, obviously you shouldnt be using these mods in game with people, this is just for practice. By removing the enemies you isolate one aspect of the game, which can help you practice navigating easier. And with minimap you can isolate navigating, so you can focus on practicing combat against the enemies.

So you're saying start cheating early? The Mini-map mod is stupid and breaks the entire game. There isn't a mini-map for a reason, it's absolutely game breaking and dumb.

If you want to get better at the game, play the game normally and learn from your mistakes and failures. Don't go downloading essentially cheats.

Also removing the monsters goes along with the statement above. Play the game as intended and learn. Telling people to play games in baby mode by modding out the problems is dumb.

Oh yeah let's just go play Dark Souls for the first time, but mod out all the enemies so you can "learn".

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by Clientofwar:

Originally posted by mloth:

The mods are just for practice, I'm giving them this advice since they seem to be inexperienced and afraid of the unknown. Same for the minimap mod, it can take some time getting used to navigating the maze and memorizing your route in and out the maze, obviously you shouldnt be using these mods in game with people, this is just for practice. By removing the enemies you isolate one aspect of the game, which can help you practice navigating easier. And with minimap you can isolate navigating, so you can focus on practicing combat against the enemies.

So you're saying start cheating early? The Mini-map mod is stupid and breaks the entire game. There isn't a mini-map for a reason, it's absolutely game breaking and dumb.

If you want to get better at the game, play the game normally and learn from your mistakes and failures. Don't go downloading essentially cheats.

Also removing the monsters goes along with the statement above. Play the game as intended and learn. Telling people to play games in baby mode by modding out the problems is dumb.

Oh yeah let's just go play Dark Souls for the first time, but mod out all the enemies so you can "learn".

Gotta be honest, I agree. If the crux of the argument is about learning and improving, you HAVE to actually be challenged. This is a universal constant - nobody ever grows by being coddled, if anything, being stomped over and over is a better path.

[ernesto]

Mate, the OP asked for advice and I gave one, if you dont like it you can ignore. You dont have to use it if you dont want to. I'm just talking from experience, and practicing solo with the mods helps me get better at the game. The mods can also be used as a warmup (ex. I warm up by killing 10 thumpers that I spawn in).

[ernesto]

@The Fountaineer hmm how do you feel about practicing against monsters then? With mods you can spawn monsters and practice against them

[Kyle]

Well, different moons have vastly different potential for money. Both the number of items and the average values of what can spawn are better on harder moons. Luck is always a factor, both in terms of how much money actually spawns (minimum items with low value VS max items with high values) and you still have to find enough of them successfully.

What tools to bring depends on what problems you have specifically. Pro Flashlight and shovel seems to be pretty effective on most maps. Add in a zap gun for one person and shovel for the other once you can afford it. If you can effectively kill things with the shovel, you can explore more aggressively. You don't want to bring in too many tools you aren't willing to drop if you find valuable scrap.

Same logic for the flashlight. Even if you can get by without one, I seem to explore further and faster, with lower odds of getting lost just because I can see the environment more clearly and quickly.

I like the concept of spray paint to mark the path back for huge maps, but it seems less effective in the long run than having adequate light and a weapon. Sometimes the most basic tools can be the best.

It's an RNG-based game, so I wouldn't judge anyone too positively or harshly. They can just be good or bad runs. Don't do anything too weird to modify the game, that's no reason to immediately jump to mods. You don't have to bring in a bunch of money early game, you only need to afford a good set of tools and whatever ship upgrades you want.

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by mloth:

@The Fountaineer hmm how do you feel about practicing against monsters then? With mods you can spawn monsters and practice against them

Practice is fine, but theres like…an pre-introductory sort of thing where its all theoretical and a practical thing, where effects and progression are one and the same. (Sorry by the way, yrying to explain while drunk….)

Uhhh, but yeah yknow. You’re still effectively getting the same experience but *MORE* if you’re actually playing as intended and practicing against ingame, unknown threats. That might not appeal to everyone which I respect but refuse to take the easiest route or discuss it if the baby mode is the only way you expect to improve. Stagnation is an enemy.

Thered already virtually “zero inventive” to play the game at all seeing as theres no meta progression, no end game, no real rewards. Its all for fun. So improve to better undersyand the depths of your own growth. Thats how you learn to enjoy the game, but doing it naturally will prolong your current ingame attention span. Apply this to everything in life and you’ll recognize it later and appreciate that growth.

[ernesto]

Hmm, ok I agree that you shouldnt use mods if you havent had your first experience with lethal company. And as you said "pre-introductory sort of thing" is where you enjoy the scary and fun part of the game. So I say you should play as much vanilla as you enjoy before you hop into the modded world. I actually prefer playing vanilla with the random lobbies I join believe it or not. At the moment I mainly only use mods to understand game mechanics and practice things, like map route to main entrance, and killing monsters. I have 99hrs at the moment in lethal, so my advice may not have been the best for newbies, its probably more for the sweatys and those who take the game way too serious (me) lol. Big agree with your last paragraph and where you say "doing it naturally will prolong your current ingame attention span"

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by mloth:

Hmm, ok I agree that you shouldnt use mods if you havent had your first experience with lethal company. And as you said "pre-introductory sort of thing" is where you enjoy the scary and fun part of the game. So I say you should play as much vanilla as you enjoy before you hop into the modded world. I actually prefer playing vanilla with the random lobbies I join believe it or not. At the moment I mainly only use mods to understand game mechanics and practice things, like map route to main entrance, and killing monsters. I have 99hrs at the moment in lethal, so my advice may not have been the best for newbies, its probably more for the sweatys and those who take the game way too serious (me) lol. Big agree with your last paragraph and where you say "doing it naturally will prolong your current ingame attention span"

Im not in the right mind to respond entirely, just tryna say I appreciate you keeping it civil and I hear your points about practice and advice. I’m not a casual gamer but i always try to keep the casual experience in mind provided it doesnMt negatively impact their holistic experience

[ernesto]

Yep I prefer to keep things civil as well. Somehow I didnt think about casual gaming and first time experiences. There are a lot of games I wish I can experience for the first time, and there are many things that can spoil or ruin your first time experiences, so yea I appreciate your previous comments since it gave me some insight on enjoying the moment and playing the game normally. If you hadnt told me you were drunk I wouldnt be able to tell