So about silver sable... *SPOILERS*

[Gideon]

So lemme get this straight. THIS RANDOM CHICK COMES OUTTA NOWHERE, beats the hell out of spider-man Not once, nor twice, BUT 3 DIFFERENT TIMES (this same guy spidey btw beat octo, rhino, scorpion, and various other bad guys strong enough to topple buildings so i dont see how a chick with guns beats him so easy) and not only is there no fight AGAINST her but instead you fight WITH her and basically fight FOR her. so im forced to watch spidey get his A** handed to him and help the one who did it? excuse me? the last people i was forced to watch do that to spidey i beat the hell out of and sent to rikers, her personality is almost as terrible as mary janes, its tedious, played out and boring. she literally acts like a 10 year old in a grown woman's body. and the story would have you believe this is because she has trust issues? seriously? there are too many other female characters in the marvel universe with complex personalities to take examples from and instead of doing that you make... whatever this woman is.

now all that being said, game play was pretty fun.

[Ingel Riday]

Haha, just got to Silver Sable's introduction again on the PC version and immediately thought, "Well... you can clearly tell it's a 2018 game. Me stronk wahman. Me hurt da Spider!!!"

But... you're supposed to like her because she's strong and independent. Never you mind that she's hyper-abusive, comes across as psychotic, and has such stunning plot armor that she can jump 30 feet out of a plane while shooting pistols, land poorly on her knees, and be fine even though she's NOT A METAHUMAN. Whatevers, right?

I'd love to see the genders reversed and see how acceptable they'd find it. :-P "Hey, okay... so Cable just smacked Spider-Gwen right across her face and spit on her unprovoked, again... but he's a strong, independent dude! She just hasn't earned his trust, yet. Really, it's her fault that happened."

I don't think that would make it very far at Insomniac. But, it was 2018 and they drank deep from the era's zeitgeist well.

Edit addition: also, what a great way to introduce a character. She attacks you for... stopping her men from executing an unarmed prisoner. Her only facial expression is a "I want to talk your manager!?!" sneer and she treats her guns like they have zero recoil, which, coupled with the dinky sound effects, make them look like worthless pea shooters.

But you are clearly meant to like her. She's a strong woman! Can't you tell? Just like Mary Jane (who openly belittles and chastises you whenever the opportunity arises) and Yuri (who treats you like dirt and expresses open exasperation with your mere existence). And really, it's Peter's fault. He needs to "swallow that Parker pride," as the game says OVER AND OVER. Never you mind that he never shows hubris throughout the whole game; he just shows concern and worry that people might die.

Oh, 2018. Oi. Thank God the DLCs course-corrected with Black Cat, no MJ, and a Silver Sable who finally found her meds.

[Mu'Ammar of Carthus]

The worst thing is how all of a sudden she cares about Spider-man.
I don't care how it's explained, that's a very steep nosedive in writing right at this moment.

Thankfully the important parts of the game's writing are pretty stellar.

[Ingel Riday]

Originally posted by Mu'Ammar of Carthus:

The worst thing is how all of a sudden she cares about Spider-man.
I don't care how it's explained, that's a very steep nosedive in writing right at this moment.

Thankfully the important parts of the game's writing are pretty stellar.

Yep, and then Peter gets to worshiping in the DLCs, calling her a hero and downplaying all her atrocities in the base game and all her abuse as just her being, you know, really passionate about her job or something. In essence, "she's a Symkarian warrior who has been fighting for years. She can't help behaving that way... so it's all good."

I'm fine with turning heels into faces (weird wrestling jargon), but yeah... you're right. It was unearned and out of left field. But, I'd rather have Silver Sable on meds than "you made me hit you" base game Silver Sable.

Edit addition: haha, this thread is reminding me how grateful I was for Black Cat. Best female presence in this Peter's life outside of Aunt May. Felt nice to finally meet a gal who didn't rub his face in dirt.

[Komarimaru]

All I gotta say, is Batman. Totally human as well.

Comics are comics, they never made sense.

[Gideon]

Originally posted by Ingel Riday:

Haha, just got to Silver Sable's introduction again on the PC version and immediately thought, "Well... you can clearly tell it's a 2018 game. Me stronk wahman. Me hurt da Spider!!!"

But... you're supposed to like her because she's strong and independent. Never you mind that she's hyper-abusive, comes across as psychotic, and has such stunning plot armor that she can jump 30 feet out of a plane while shooting pistols, land poorly on her knees, and be fine even though she's NOT A METAHUMAN. Whatevers, right?

this pretty much sums up sables character. mary jane basically confirmed it when she said these EXACT WORDS, "a bunch of old school maggia thugs feel threatened by a confident, powerful woman"

[Gideon]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

All I gotta say, is Batman. Totally human as well.

Comics are comics, they never made sense.

granted. but still would hvae like to kick her overconfident A**

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by jojohnbbest:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

All I gotta say, is Batman. Totally human as well.

Comics are comics, they never made sense.

granted. but still would hvae like to kick her overconfident A**

Oh for sure. But different universe as it were, so different character, etc etc. Still, fun game at least, even if some characters are... "unique" in their disposition.

[SleepyDroid]

Originally posted by jojohnbbest:

So lemme get this straight. THIS RANDOM CHICK COMES OUTTA NOWHERE, beats the hell out of spider-man Not once, nor twice, BUT 3 DIFFERENT TIMES (this same guy spidey btw beat octo, rhino, scorpion, and various other bad guys strong enough to topple buildings so i dont see how a chick with guns beats him so easy) and not only is there no fight AGAINST her but instead you fight WITH her and basically fight FOR her. so im forced to watch spidey get his A** handed to him and help the one who did it? excuse me? the last people i was forced to watch do that to spidey i beat the hell out of and sent to rikers, her personality is almost as terrible as mary janes, its tedious, played out and boring. she literally acts like a 10 year old in a grown woman's body. and the story would have you believe this is because she has trust issues? seriously? there are too many other female characters in the marvel universe with complex personalities to take examples from and instead of doing that you make... whatever this woman is.

now all that being said, game play was pretty fun.

I remember playing the DLC i just waited on the flying thing until the timer was out because the figh is under a timer. Women empowerment ♥♥♥♥ is all over this game and I hate MJ part of the game.

[Gideon]

Originally posted by SleepyDroid:

Originally posted by jojohnbbest:

So lemme get this straight. THIS RANDOM CHICK COMES OUTTA NOWHERE, beats the hell out of spider-man Not once, nor twice, BUT 3 DIFFERENT TIMES (this same guy spidey btw beat octo, rhino, scorpion, and various other bad guys strong enough to topple buildings so i dont see how a chick with guns beats him so easy) and not only is there no fight AGAINST her but instead you fight WITH her and basically fight FOR her. so im forced to watch spidey get his A** handed to him and help the one who did it? excuse me? the last people i was forced to watch do that to spidey i beat the hell out of and sent to rikers, her personality is almost as terrible as mary janes, its tedious, played out and boring. she literally acts like a 10 year old in a grown woman's body. and the story would have you believe this is because she has trust issues? seriously? there are too many other female characters in the marvel universe with complex personalities to take examples from and instead of doing that you make... whatever this woman is.

now all that being said, game play was pretty fun.

I remember playing the DLC i just waited on the flying thing until the timer was out because the figh is under a timer. Women empowerment ♥♥♥♥ is all over this game and I hate MJ part of the game.

buddy you aint the only one who hates mary jane parts.

[maxlerno]

Originally posted by jojohnbbest:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

All I gotta say, is Batman. Totally human as well.

Comics are comics, they never made sense.

granted. but still would hvae like to kick her overconfident A**

also taskmaster is in this game and that dude goes toe to toe with superhumans as well so it isnt beyond realm of possibility that someone to get the better of spiderman if spider man doesnt pay attention or thinks he is beyonfd the person he is fighting he can make mistakes

[Ingel Riday]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

All I gotta say, is Batman. Totally human as well.

Comics are comics, they never made sense.

Eh, at least Batman has his cloak. It's basically a parachute when he extends it out (Batman: Begins goes into that with the whole "stiffens upon electrical signal" thing). I find it easier to suspend disbelief there because of that. "Oh, I just dropped off the building... and ten feet before impact, the cloak opens up and Batman wafts to the ground. Fine."

She just JUMPS right out of her helicopter (or plane, or whatever. It's a flying thing :-P ), twirls in the air needlessly, and plops on the ground. At least give me some "super-soldier serum" rubbish to excuse it, game. :-P

[Gideon]

Originally posted by maxlerno:

Originally posted by jojohnbbest:

granted. but still would hvae like to kick her overconfident A**

also taskmaster is in this game and that dude goes toe to toe with superhumans as well so it isnt beyond realm of possibility that someone to get the better of spiderman if spider man doesnt pay attention or thinks he is beyonfd the person he is fighting he can make mistakes

now this i disagree with partly.
yes if task master was to face off against spiderman (not in game) id bet on task master almost everytime. but his character makes sense. from the moment we run into him (in game) he is analyzing spider man, how he fights, how he responds to situations, his speed, endurance, ect. he was literally copying spider man so it would make sense if he laid out spider man like a bear rug. he knows almost everything about him.
my issue is i cant fight sable, and she does what task master in game couldn't do, does it 3 different times just cause she can, and we are forced to watch it lol.

[Luwae]

Someone clearly has some issues with women in his life

[Gideon]

Originally posted by Luwae:

Someone clearly has some issues with women in his life

refrain from projecting please.

[gru]

This is a bit hard to comment on, but I'll give some examples from other media.

In Ultimate Spider-Man video game, Silver Sable was actually capable of going toe to tie against Peter (even though you can argue it was because he was tranquilized and thus was less effective), but it is just as arguable fighting spider man isn't really a pure strength thing.

You see, Captain America did fought Spider-Man to my knowledge several times in the comics, and he did managed to win not because of his strength, but because of his tactics. He knows the weakness he has from having seen him, and I don't think it is out of the question so did Silver Sable could figure it out, especially since she was most likely watching how Spider-Man fights.

There also comes in other examples like Spider-Man fighting Felicia in Spectacular Spider-Man. He was actually getting fairly kicked around because Felicia fights like a gymnast and is really agile, something Spider-Man isn't accustomed to as he either fights bigger enemies, or normal sized enemies that aren't really acrobatic.