crocodile tears players kill their own game

[Za]

Insane to me. People now crying for the sake of crying. They crying cos its HYPE. And they kill tekken in steam by review bombing it. So some content creators start to throw even more brown sugar in to agitate even more people to crying for it is HYPE.

Idk man, it seems FGs is a dead genre by default. Tekken players get a lot of considered fixes and promised another patch every month at this point. And they STILL not stopped yaping.

At this point I just look at SF6 where casino all over the place and throw-loops and other crap. And nobody crying there, all just EAT EAT EAT. They release the most broken and simple character in the history MAI and SF6 players still just EAT EAT EAT.

Meanwhile we have Tekken that has so little issues in comparison and here we have just tantroom that is out of control. If you kill this series - it will be on you. Idk why devs listen to the yaping tbh. There are literally an ocean of crocodile tears at this point.

People who cry about bugs plays Jack8 and exploit those bugs. And when those bugs were fixed they just cry again. Insane.

[KrossKounter]

The game is literal garbage. Why in gods name would any tekken player who actually enjoys tekkens usually deep gameplay be happy with this puddle of a game?
A game where everyone plays the same, from veteran with 10+ years of experience to newbie who starte a month ago.

We're not SF players, we're Tekken players. We came to tekken cuz we liked a specific style of game, one that SF didn't give us. We like the complexity, the player expression, the difficulty, the knowledge heavy gameplay.
If SF players are happy with a casino, that's none of my concern. We like tekken, not SF.

[Cheez3™]

ignore all tekken communities and just play your game bro, is easy.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Za:

Insane to me. People now crying for the sake of crying. They crying cos its HYPE. And they kill tekken in steam by review bombing it. So some content creators start to throw even more brown sugar in to agitate even more people to crying for it is HYPE.

Idk man, it seems FGs is a dead genre by default. Tekken players get a lot of considered fixes and promised another patch every month at this point. And they STILL not stopped yaping.

At this point I just look at SF6 where casino all over the place and throw-loops and other crap. And nobody crying there, all just EAT EAT EAT. They release the most broken and simple character in the history MAI and SF6 players still just EAT EAT EAT.

Meanwhile we have Tekken that has so little issues in comparison and here we have just tantroom that is out of control. If you kill this series - it will be on you. Idk why devs listen to the yaping tbh. There are literally an ocean of crocodile tears at this point.

People who cry about bugs plays Jack8 and exploit those bugs. And when those bugs were fixed they just cry again. Insane.

I understand your point of view and I agree that on beginner level one can't tell a difference between a great game and absolutely unplayable mess because no one knows how to play the game there. No one at beginner level is going to actually play optimally and make a living hell out of the gameplay. It will be the same old cool moves and interactions.

Just recently Doge made basically similar post and I 100% agree that it seems to be like this from his point of view.

What you gotta understand is that not everyone is a beginner and as it turns out TEKKEN has quite large competent playerbase that just CAN NOT play the game when its broken cause they can tell. So their point of view is vastly different from yours.

[Mu'Ammar of Carthus]

Bro complaining everyone else isn't stupid and clueless but he ain't know it.

[Calm Hostage]

This might be the worst possible franchise to try and casualise. The fact that Tekken was hard and required practice and skill to play at a high level was a selling point, and a specific reason to play it. Taking that away would be like adding unlimited continues to Dark Souls, it's just not the same game anymore.

Sure, it might make a few quick bucks if you turn it into a casino and let brand new players feel like a champ for a day, but the system falls apart pretty quickly when everyone realises that skill is irrelevant, and that it's just the fighting game people play when they can't hack it anywhere else.

I don't play SF, but if in your words all they do is EAT EAT EAT regardless of how much fat there is to be trimmed, sounds to me like they're gonna get out of shape and lose their edge after a while.

[Cpt Obvious]

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

This might be the worst possible franchise to try and casualise. The fact that Tekken was hard and required practice and skill to play at a high level was a selling point, and a specific reason to play it. Taking that away would be like adding unlimited continues to Dark Souls, it's just not the same game anymore.

Sure, it might make a few quick bucks if you turn it into a casino and let brand new players feel like a champ for a day, but the system falls apart pretty quickly when everyone realises that skill is irrelevant, and that it's just the fighting game people play when they can't hack it anywhere else.

I don't play SF, but if in your words all they do is EAT EAT EAT regardless of how much fat there is to be trimmed, sounds to me like they're gonna get out of shape and lose their edge after a while.

Your cherry picking your example. By same token someone could reference World of Warcraft which casualized EverQuest and became the biggest game of all time historically speaking. Not that I am saying this is a good reason to casualise Tekken but that there are precedent for either direction.

[Calm Hostage]

Originally posted by Cpt Obvious:

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

This might be the worst possible franchise to try and casualise. The fact that Tekken was hard and required practice and skill to play at a high level was a selling point, and a specific reason to play it. Taking that away would be like adding unlimited continues to Dark Souls, it's just not the same game anymore.

Sure, it might make a few quick bucks if you turn it into a casino and let brand new players feel like a champ for a day, but the system falls apart pretty quickly when everyone realises that skill is irrelevant, and that it's just the fighting game people play when they can't hack it anywhere else.

I don't play SF, but if in your words all they do is EAT EAT EAT regardless of how much fat there is to be trimmed, sounds to me like they're gonna get out of shape and lose their edge after a while.

Your cherry picking your example. By same token someone could reference World of Warcraft which casualized EverQuest and became the biggest game of all time historically speaking. Not that I am saying this is a good reason to casualise Tekken but that there are precedent for either direction.

WoW did not suddenly decide to become a team-based shooter or a golf simulator after 30 years in the business.

There are ways you can do this, you can bring back Soul Calibur or create a brand new IP that caters more to casuals, a Granblue to Arcsys's Strive, if you would. And that might actually be a pretty good gateway for a new player to access something like Tekken one day.

You have to remember that this is not a team-based game, it's a competitive one, and a zero sum one. They are trying to throw two groups of people into the same lifeboat and say "here's one set of life preservers".

What do you think is going to happen? Do you think people who cba to get good at the game are going to fight to keep it the way it was, with the scrubby casino mechanics? No, they're casuals, they'll find something else to care about. The people who actually care about and are invested in Tekken are gonna drive the bus, as they always have.

[kiteless 凧無し]

People are entitled to their opinions, positive or negative

I don't think it's a coincidence recent reviews are overwhelmingly negative at 8%

I'm sure the vast majority can easily come up with their own opinions on the state of the game without feeling the need to parrot others

[Za]

Originally posted by Cheez3:

ignore all tekken communities and just play your game bro, is easy.

yeah, pretty much. Its just insane for me how people trying to find ANY reason for their hate especially now cos its HYPE. No self-respect whatsoever. Crazy to me.

[Za]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Za:

Insane to me. People now crying for the sake of crying. They crying cos its HYPE. And they kill tekken in steam by review bombing it. So some content creators start to throw even more brown sugar in to agitate even more people to crying for it is HYPE.

Idk man, it seems FGs is a dead genre by default. Tekken players get a lot of considered fixes and promised another patch every month at this point. And they STILL not stopped yaping.

At this point I just look at SF6 where casino all over the place and throw-loops and other crap. And nobody crying there, all just EAT EAT EAT. They release the most broken and simple character in the history MAI and SF6 players still just EAT EAT EAT.

Meanwhile we have Tekken that has so little issues in comparison and here we have just tantroom that is out of control. If you kill this series - it will be on you. Idk why devs listen to the yaping tbh. There are literally an ocean of crocodile tears at this point.

People who cry about bugs plays Jack8 and exploit those bugs. And when those bugs were fixed they just cry again. Insane.

I understand your point of view and I agree that on beginner level one can't tell a difference between a great game and absolutely unplayable mess because no one knows how to play the game there. No one at beginner level is going to actually play optimally and make a living hell out of the gameplay. It will be the same old cool moves and interactions.

Just recently Doge made basically similar post and I 100% agree that it seems to be like this from his point of view.

What you gotta understand is that not everyone is a beginner and as it turns out TEKKEN has quite large competent playerbase that just CAN NOT play the game when its broken cause they can tell. So their point of view is vastly different from yours.

competent? Thats funny. Is it the same COMPETENT player base that crying all over the place with 0 feedback screaming like a baby childs "DO YOU JOOOOOB" "TEKKEN WAS BEEEEEETER" and so on and so forth, then pick second account to play bugged jack8 and pretend they boycotting it? THAT competent player base? I mean... May be

[Za]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

People are entitled to their opinions, positive or negative

I don't think it's a coincidence recent reviews are overwhelmingly negative at 8%

I'm sure the vast majority can easily come up with their own opinions on the state of the game without feeling the need to parrot others

however it usually not the case. Cos either its just became a tantrum with no bounds with influencers who supports it or... just unluck.
Here is a quick example of that. I watch a youtuber and he complains about the patch. He himself stated that HP WAS BUFFED NOW WE HAVE MORE HP. And after 5 minutes he was "but they didnt nerf damage so its bad patch".
Excuse me for a moment... isnt increase of HP is a damage nerf? Cos after another 5 minutes he remembers it and states "now we have to guess just more number of times". But... isnt nerfing damage do the same? Where is a proper feedback? Oh, not there.
And there are like... 80-90% of such videos about how TEKKEN IS BAD NOW. So like purely by the facts. People contradicts themselves just for the sake of increasing views of their content. They just use that shirt-wave to their advantage. And players just like... OH YEAH LETS GO HYPE HYPE HYPE.
Isnt it kinda... pathetic to say the least? Strange?

[Za]

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

This might be the worst possible franchise to try and casualise. The fact that Tekken was hard and required practice and skill to play at a high level was a selling point, and a specific reason to play it. Taking that away would be like adding unlimited continues to Dark Souls, it's just not the same game anymore.

Sure, it might make a few quick bucks if you turn it into a casino and let brand new players feel like a champ for a day, but the system falls apart pretty quickly when everyone realises that skill is irrelevant, and that it's just the fighting game people play when they can't hack it anywhere else.

I don't play SF, but if in your words all they do is EAT EAT EAT regardless of how much fat there is to be trimmed, sounds to me like they're gonna get out of shape and lose their edge after a while.

Why are you keep repeating this stupid line about casino? You know what IS casino? Throw-loop. Tekken has minimum amount of such thing since there are just too many options to answer with. It started to became a problem after S2 start - not gonna lie. However NOW it was heavily reduced. And thats devs even dont finish to review character-specific balance that they announce for May patch.
They are ALREADY fixing the game so shouldnt playerbase if they are COMPETENT and SKILLED and NOT SCRUBBY start to play the furking game and make a proper feedback about it? Oh no, cos its much harder then actually just crying crocodile tears on twitter and bombing it with reviews like "D E F E N C E S" in steam right?
I am with both hands for the devs fixing this offensive mess that they create but 8% reviews on steam??? Its not even close and since the community is THAT toxic when they reviews bombing literally THE BEST currently living FG... Idk man.

[Grampire]

Go tell Knee that like he doesn't now way better than you ever could hope to.

And you don't have to be Knee to understand what he's talking about. This game is in an absolutely critical state and anyone who knows anything about fighting games and spends an hour with it should be able to pick up on it.

[SignatureMoves]

this kid is fishing for content lmao he doesnt even know what he is saying

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by Za:

Originally posted by Calm Hostage:

This might be the worst possible franchise to try and casualise. The fact that Tekken was hard and required practice and skill to play at a high level was a selling point, and a specific reason to play it. Taking that away would be like adding unlimited continues to Dark Souls, it's just not the same game anymore.

Sure, it might make a few quick bucks if you turn it into a casino and let brand new players feel like a champ for a day, but the system falls apart pretty quickly when everyone realises that skill is irrelevant, and that it's just the fighting game people play when they can't hack it anywhere else.

I don't play SF, but if in your words all they do is EAT EAT EAT regardless of how much fat there is to be trimmed, sounds to me like they're gonna get out of shape and lose their edge after a while.

Why are you keep repeating this stupid line about casino? You know what IS casino? Throw-loop. Tekken has minimum amount of such thing since there are just too many options to answer with. It started to became a problem after S2 start - not gonna lie. However NOW it was heavily reduced. And thats devs even dont finish to review character-specific balance that they announce for May patch.
They are ALREADY fixing the game so shouldnt playerbase if they are COMPETENT and SKILLED and NOT SCRUBBY start to play the furking game and make a proper feedback about it? Oh no, cos its much harder then actually just crying crocodile tears on twitter and bombing it with reviews like "D E F E N C E S" in steam right?
I am with both hands for the devs fixing this offensive mess that they create but 8% reviews on steam??? Its not even close and since the community is THAT toxic when they reviews bombing literally THE BEST currently living FG... Idk man.

You don't play the game.