Most useless healer i've seen in a jrpg.

[Dregora]

It's actually bizarre. Unless you get a different one later, but Nina is atrocious. Limited healing spells, her buffs are okay I guess but everything is somewhat short ranged. Who thought of making her heal a AoE where she has to stand still and her allies too (plottwist; AI doesn't) and it's a small circle in a combat system that is ALL about movement, mobility en fast paced action.

What a horrible fumble. You're better off giving them all auto aid and those passives and just go full dps.

[Xengre]

Tiasmoon の投稿を引用：

Xengre の投稿を引用：

She has a no cost (aside from meager AP) massive range strong revive skill the AI can abuse if someone does die so even if something does go south she will fix it typically. This is the skill that makes her truly broken, imo. You can learn this the moment you get her, or at least I did before even leaving town.

That skill is amusingly strong. I found it funny that even at level 1 it seems to heals for more then her regular healing, despite being a res.

Personally I mainly use her because I'm biased towards green healing stuff (played too many healers in MMOs) and I love her voiceacting. Dont like playing as her due to the nature of her kit and her complete lack of direct healing, especially spothealing. Being so immobile while having zone heals doesnt feel great in a fast paced game like this, imo.

As for buffs: personal buffs are much stronger anyway.

Yeah, I noticed that too and was a whole lot of wtf. Due to that it made me b-line away from emphasizing her Int stat or buffing up her healing spells because they're just extra padding, but in truth the real carry is the revive. When I get more time to play and get further along I'm going to continually turn her into a tank with tanky stats and no-flinch effect (and preferably heal % on hit %). As long as I can make her very hard to kill I can't wipe.

Yeah, I think they did a solid job making her a viable playable character that isn't totally flat mind numbing.

[Mycrosys]

Geo の投稿を引用：

prety far into the game atm and she just dies all the time, has the lowest def and hp of all characters and even invinc doesn't stop her from being 1 shot constantly swapped her out not looked back, currently playing as Laeticia, Elena, Ray, Midas and Marielle, sometimes swap out Midas for Malkya, Albaird seems to be the weakest character imo.

Al's Demon Gate is great AoE and CC. What difficulty are you playing on, because I never see her die in my game.

[AI Sin || SinNoAria]

Btw, everyone does know that when you max your healing skill, it ALSO removes debuffs, right?

[Choko]

I found 6 powerlevel is quite down from 3, once you got Maria ultimate skill it's one way patch down for opponent. Not in case here where you can staggered/knockout and limited range etc.

Many mob has moveset that goes around yours bis skill too. x)

[Tiasmoon]

Mycrosys の投稿を引用：

Geo の投稿を引用：

prety far into the game atm and she just dies all the time, has the lowest def and hp of all characters and even invinc doesn't stop her from being 1 shot constantly swapped her out not looked back, currently playing as Laeticia, Elena, Ray, Midas and Marielle, sometimes swap out Midas for Malkya, Albaird seems to be the weakest character imo.

Al's Demon Gate is great AoE and CC. What difficulty are you playing on, because I never see her die in my game.

I've seen her die a bunch on Universe. Tho not as quickly as Laeticia does if I let the AI control her, lol.

[Renka]

I need to rant more about this ♥♥♥♥, Nina is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ man, she always have to run on YOU while you do your best to dodge enemy boss and of course she die now because guess what she NEVER dodge

That character deserve a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rework, who thought giving someone very close aoe heal/support ONLY would be a good idea in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ action game, ffs , this is horribly frustrating seriously do something, you cant let that ♥♥♥♥ in your game on the long term

[This PC]

Renka の投稿を引用：

I need to rant more about this ♥♥♥♥, Nina is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ man, she always have to run on YOU while you do your best to dodge enemy boss and of course she die now because guess what she NEVER dodge

That character deserve a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rework, who thought giving someone very close aoe heal/support ONLY would be a good idea in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ action game, ffs , this is horribly frustrating seriously do something, you cant let that ♥♥♥♥ in your game on the long term

bwhahaha seethe more

Nina is fine, you need to adjust to your healer :P She don't even have resource costs for her heals, just from that she's more op than most jrpg healer, ofc she'd have downsides. What's the problem with standing a couple of seconds in her aoe ? you probably need to restore AP anyways. :P

[Rising Gale]

Tiasmoon の投稿を引用：

Mycrosys の投稿を引用：

Al's Demon Gate is great AoE and CC. What difficulty are you playing on, because I never see her die in my game.

I've seen her die a bunch on Universe. Tho not as quickly as Laeticia does if I let the AI control her, lol.

Laeticia dies alot tho because she's basically a glass Canon you need to put nothing on her defense and have her go all out. Honestly I feel like this game requires 2 playthroughs to fully understand the combat in post game because I'm still learning lol. Ray is the closest thing this game has to being a standard tank character, I mean yes Elena in theory looks tanky but in practice when I have her ai she dies even faster than Laeticia does so I think I am misunderstanding her kit.

[Renka]

jdtuggey の投稿を引用：

Renka の投稿を引用：

I need to rant more about this ♥♥♥♥, Nina is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ man, she always have to run on YOU while you do your best to dodge enemy boss and of course she die now because guess what she NEVER dodge

That character deserve a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rework, who thought giving someone very close aoe heal/support ONLY would be a good idea in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ action game, ffs , this is horribly frustrating seriously do something, you cant let that ♥♥♥♥ in your game on the long term

bwhahaha seethe more

Nina is fine, you need to adjust to your healer :P She don't even have resource costs for her heals, just from that she's more op than most jrpg healer, ofc she'd have downsides. What's the problem with standing a couple of seconds in her aoe ? you probably need to restore AP anyways. :P

don't talk as if you watched a gameplay from me

[This PC]

Renka の投稿を引用：

don't talk as if you watched a gameplay from me

bwhahaha seethe more.
Don't talk as if I can't partake in the steam community I been a member of for 16 years.
Don't want to see me talk ? Don't seethe in steam forums over non-issues you're unwilling to adapt to. :D

[Air Raider]

As mentioned in another thread, AI are capped at 5 AP if you are not in control. AI also don't like combo strings they cannot complete fully.
With these two pieces of information you should be able to deduce the correct way to get Nina to never stop healing.

[Xengre]

Seneschal の投稿を引用：

As mentioned in another thread, AI are capped at 5 AP if you are not in control. AI also don't like combo strings they cannot complete fully.
With these two pieces of information you should be able to deduce the correct way to get Nina to never stop healing.

^This. Be careful what combos you set on other characters, too, that tend to employ 2-3 AP combo abilities if you want to set them a particular way like making Midas a mid / long range DPS. He will only use the first 1-2 combos and not the 3rd in most such setups.

[Dregora]

Seneschal の投稿を引用：

As mentioned in another thread, AI are capped at 5 AP if you are not in control. AI also don't like combo strings they cannot complete fully.
With these two pieces of information you should be able to deduce the correct way to get Nina to never stop healing.

Except the tool tips say something along the lines of ''if you want your AI companions to us these skills, set up their skill chain'' or something alongside those lines. Maybe I have skipped over it, but have they ever mentioned it in game that AI is only limited to 5 AP? And that they do not ''like combo strings they cannot complete'' ?

If so, then it's 100% on me that i missed this information in game.


But if I have to find this type of information in outside sources to make stuff in the game work... then that's a fail on the games part.


That's why I prefer tales system more, in regards to this. In that you have a player setup of 4 artes for each character and those are only used when you control them. And then there's a whole list of skills/abilities the AI will use, which isn't limited to those 4, so you can just select or de-select the skills you either want or don't want him to use. I find it much more clear that way.

[El Chappucino]

Dregora の投稿を引用：

FafnirChaos の投稿を引用：

skill issue, You can control her and spam healing if you need it. Any healing during combat will always be OP.

I shouldn't have to babysit every indivdual party member. If I want to do that, i'll play turn based jrpg's where it's made for controlling your entire party properly. There are 3 members, I cannot babysit every single one of them. If I do, i'm on pause like 80% of the time and it breaks flow of combat.

If there's an AI taking over for me, it should at least be doing something. To compensate for an AI naturally not being as good as a human player is fine, but give them targeted heals then.


I know I can control her, but i'm sorry if I don't find sitting there spamming a singular short AoE healing skill to be enticing gameplay in a game I bought especially for it's fast paced combat. If there was a way to make everyone stand at the same spot, great, but there isn't.

I'm not saying it's 100% impossible, i'm saying it's so contradictionary to the overall movement and feel and pacing of combat that it feels out of place and that you have to go out of your way to make it work.

The game shouldn't have to babysit you, to do the thing that helps you survive and makes the game easier. Do your job, or die. Adjust, or die. Simple.

[Dregora]

El Chappucino の投稿を引用：

Dregora の投稿を引用：

I shouldn't have to babysit every indivdual party member. If I want to do that, i'll play turn based jrpg's where it's made for controlling your entire party properly. There are 3 members, I cannot babysit every single one of them. If I do, i'm on pause like 80% of the time and it breaks flow of combat.

If there's an AI taking over for me, it should at least be doing something. To compensate for an AI naturally not being as good as a human player is fine, but give them targeted heals then.


I know I can control her, but i'm sorry if I don't find sitting there spamming a singular short AoE healing skill to be enticing gameplay in a game I bought especially for it's fast paced combat. If there was a way to make everyone stand at the same spot, great, but there isn't.

I'm not saying it's 100% impossible, i'm saying it's so contradictionary to the overall movement and feel and pacing of combat that it feels out of place and that you have to go out of your way to make it work.

The game shouldn't have to babysit you, to do the thing that helps you survive and makes the game easier. Do your job, or die. Adjust, or die. Simple.

Are you absolutely serious right now? You make choices and decisions based on information you have. If the game provides me false information and does not provide me with the proper information to make such decisions, it is 100% the games fault for not being clear on it's OWN systems.

If the thing that helps me survive is to do the opposite of what the game told me in the tooltips, then that is 100000% an issue with the game. You cannot actually genuinely think this is the players fault lol.