It's freaking impossible to get skill points!

[HopefulToad]

This game is way stingier with EXP than the previous game, it seems like. Sensing force echos and defeating normal enemies hardly gives any EXP. And then, to make matters much, much worse, it's stupidly easy to permanently lose EXP before it completes a skill point. At least twice I've been killed by an enemy with a nearly full EXP bar, then went back to fight the enemy again only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever. Other times I get killed by a different enemy when on the way to the enemy that killed me, and that seems to get rid of all the points as well.

I'm playing on the highest difficulty, but the frustration from hardly ever unlocking skill points is hampering my enjoyment of the game.

[Foreman]

Escrito originalmente por HopefulToad:

I'm playing on the highest difficulty, but the frustration from hardly ever unlocking skill points is hampering my enjoyment of the game.

If you're playing on the highest difficulty and not enjoying the game, turn the difficulty down to a level where you can enjoy it.

[PomaReign]

So what's he is saying is he played at the highest difficulty like its a soul game and is getting mad he loses exp.

[Superchargedk20]

Escrito originalmente por Roaming Zombie:

Escrito originalmente por Superchargedk20:

You do know If you die you can go back to the area and all you have to do is land an attack on the enemies who killed you and you get all your xp back, right ? He will glow in a gold/yellow color when you find him. So there's really no reason for you to lose all your xp.

You should try reading the opening post again. ;)


...only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever.

Well that's defiantly not a thing. They glow lol. And if it's a boss then it's left where u died. Lol. I've died plenty on the hardest difficulty. Trust me it's there lol

[Sacb0y]

Escrito originalmente por Roaming Zombie:

Escrito originalmente por Superchargedk20:

You do know If you die you can go back to the area and all you have to do is land an attack on the enemies who killed you and you get all your xp back, right ? He will glow in a gold/yellow color when you find him. So there's really no reason for you to lose all your xp.

You should try reading the opening post again. ;)


...only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever.

This is cause it's not always a glowing enemy, it's a yellow glowing region on the field where you died. This is usually for bigger enemies like a rancor or a boss.

[Guznagerreth]

@OP, dude, if you're dying so much that you keep losing all your exp, try lowering the difficulty, if you play the game smartly you will rarely die, this is not a game where you can rambo your way through, you have to make great use of your force powers to succeed at anything harder than the easiest difficulty, you just need to up your game

[Andromeda]

Well, if you feel bad about that skill point exp:
1) upgrade your force push so you would be able to push giant creatures.
2) Optional - buy 'more exp' perk from the droid you save in ruins
3) Travel to Derelict Dam Bonfire, oops, i mean meditation point.
4) Go across the bridge and push off the cliff giant creature thingy. Be sure to damage him before that with something to get more exp.
5) Go back to the bonfire, rinse and repeat.
There you go, you won't need to worry about loosing your exp to stupid bosses and their abnormal hp. Well, as long as EA don't patch that, don't think they would because it's not a bug or anything.
Video guide with timestamp https://youtu.be/CNgj40EEkTw?t=190 to explain it better

[dustin1280]

Escrito originalmente por HopefulToad:

At least twice I've been killed by an enemy with a nearly full EXP bar, then went back to fight the enemy again only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever.

I'm playing on the highest difficulty, but the frustration from hardly ever unlocking skill points is hampering my enjoyment of the game.

Sounds like a you problem.

1. Getting exp back, it will either be a glowing yellow enemy OR it will be on the ground around the spot you died. It never just disappears completely. (unless you die again before you collect exp from the first death)
2. If you are dying so much you are losing exp constantly, reduce the difficulty.

This is ENTIRELY on you OP

[Haggis MechHaggis]

Escrito originalmente por LazyAmerican:

those perks actually don't give much more and aren't worth using imo...just learn attack patterns and parry, parry, and more parry and suddenly everything will die easily lol. But not before you die 10,000 times to the frog haha.

parry part is true but you can do a lot more damage much faster with some of the sabre perks
finding larger enemies quite a bit easier even with my crappy parry skillz

[Haggis MechHaggis]

and exploring can net you some easy skill points if you're feeling left short by XP

[Tiasmoon]

Escrito originalmente por viktorhallo:

Escrito originalmente por Avalanche:

I personally don't see the point in playing on higher difficulties, i just play on story mode....since i play for the story and nothing else....Challenge is so overrated in my personal opinion, the game being easy or hard is the same to me, so why bother on anything other than story mode? Its just my personal opinion really.

I get skill points left and right, i mean i don't grind, i explore, i scan EVERYTHING, get every force echo, every 'Health' and 'Force' increasing node.

If i see it and i can actively get to it, i get to it....currently, i am unable to get to Harvest Ridge Meditation Point.....i have no clue how to get there. lol

alot of reasons tbh. if you keep playing on a difficulty thats to easy, your most likely just going to get worse and worse in games as time goes by. and once a game with no difficulty settings comes out you wont be able to beat it.

Yeah. Age or health will also become a consideration eventually. I've had a lot of health issues and gotten older esp in the past 10 years. So not even half as good as I used to be. But because I've always pushed myself to complete games at the highest difficulty or challenges, because of that im still good enough to beat very hard games despite being nerfed.

Still, I think at some point it makes a lot more sense to just drop the difficulty occassionally. GM just isnt fun at some points of the game (like the frog) or in some other game examples.

Like say in Elden Ring or Wo Long those games are a lot of fun so its fine if you die a dozen times, because the fights themselves are just a ton of fun and exciting. If its not longer fun, there's no shame to just drop the difficulty.

(so I always tell others but never do it.. I need to start doing that.. lol)

[Tiasmoon]

Escrito originalmente por dustin1280:

Escrito originalmente por HopefulToad:

At least twice I've been killed by an enemy with a nearly full EXP bar, then went back to fight the enemy again only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever.

I'm playing on the highest difficulty, but the frustration from hardly ever unlocking skill points is hampering my enjoyment of the game.

Sounds like a you problem.

1. Getting exp back, it will either be a glowing yellow enemy OR it will be on the ground around the spot you died. It never just disappears completely. (unless you die again before you collect exp from the first death)
2. If you are dying so much you are losing exp constantly, reduce the difficulty.

This is ENTIRELY on you OP

Actually leaving the game too. I had a crash after I died and lost almost an entire level. F

The thing is, this kind of exp system does not work in this game.
It works in other games like Nioh, Wo Long, Sekiro, Elden Ring, etc. The thing is those games have a ton of levels to get and they give a lot of exp too. Losing a level of exp is no big deal there. But it is huge here.

The problem isnt really losing exp.. its not gaining enough exp in the first place so losing it hurts a lot more.

[jorman]

Escrito originalmente por HopefulToad:

Escrito originalmente por dobermaxx69:

Go get the wisdom and gambler perks and go exploring. Skill points will pile up faster than you than you realize

Well, that's good to know that there's perks that help with this, but is this a late-game thing? It'd be unfortunate if I could only unlock most of the skills after the game is nearly over.

There are a few bosses in Koboh. Also there's a chamber in the path to the tower (Don't know if there are any other), also you can fight the big guys that look like rhinos, those give good xp and their pattern is fairly easy to memorize.

[Suroh Rednax]

In GM your first skill point investment is HP... I know you want to unlock the cool stuff first, but having extra hp pool is a must early on.
As soon as you have Confuse, upgrade it. Makes mob fights a little bit easier to manage since you basically get a temporary ally.
Then there is all the other advice people gave before... Explore to get those meditation upgrade skill points, Hp, perk slots and Force, they add up quickly.

Early game for xp and skill points is rough tbh, but it picks up after a while...

Just need to learn which tool to use in which situation and getting exp becomes easier.

[HopefulToad]

Escrito originalmente por Superchargedk20:

Escrito originalmente por Roaming Zombie:

You should try reading the opening post again. ;)


...only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever.

Well that's defiantly not a thing. They glow lol. And if it's a boss then it's left where u died. Lol. I've died plenty on the hardest difficulty. Trust me it's there lol

Both times it happened it was when fighting the whatchamacallit thing that likes to pick you up and slam you into the ground repeatedly on Koboh. I was close to a skill point, died to it, went back to it and it wasn't glowing. And I didn't see any glowing spots on the ground either. I suppose it's possible that there was a glowing spot on the ground that I missed, but I don't know why they would make it so that, with that particular enemy, sometimes the enemy itself glows, and sometimes it's a glowing spot on the ground. Because after I died, lost all my points, came back and it wasn't glowing, and died to it again, when I came back once more, this time it was glowing, except hitting it didn't give me any points back because they had already been lost.

Escrito originalmente por Foreman:

Escrito originalmente por HopefulToad:

I'm playing on the highest difficulty, but the frustration from hardly ever unlocking skill points is hampering my enjoyment of the game.

If you're playing on the highest difficulty and not enjoying the game, turn the difficulty down to a level where you can enjoy it.

I'm enjoying the game, but it is easy to get frustrated when fighting bosses/mini-bosses. The thing is, the difficulty seems perfect for fighting regular mooks. I feel like normal non-boss gameplay would feel a bit too easy on Jedi Master difficulty.

Escrito originalmente por Guznagerreth:

@OP, dude, if you're dying so much that you keep losing all your exp, try lowering the difficulty, if you play the game smartly you will rarely die, this is not a game where you can rambo your way through, you have to make great use of your force powers to succeed at anything harder than the easiest difficulty, you just need to up your game

But I haven't unlocked hardly any force powers. With a lot of bigger fights, the force powers you start out with seem pretty useless. Force push and force pull does nothing against many of the bigger animals, nor against lightsaber-wielding foes. And I can never figure out how to do that time slow move after that first scripted instance of it on Coruscant.

Escrito originalmente por Andromeda:

Well, if you feel bad about that skill point exp:
1) upgrade your force push so you would be able to push giant creatures.
2) Optional - buy 'more exp' perk from the droid you save in ruins
3) Travel to Derelict Dam Bonfire, oops, i mean meditation point.
4) Go across the bridge and push off the cliff giant creature thingy. Be sure to damage him before that with something to get more exp.
5) Go back to the bonfire, rinse and repeat.
There you go, you won't need to worry about loosing your exp to stupid bosses and their abnormal hp. Well, as long as EA don't patch that, don't think they would because it's not a bug or anything.
Video guide with timestamp https://youtu.be/CNgj40EEkTw?t=190 to explain it better

Interesting way to farm EXP.

Escrito originalmente por dustin1280:

Escrito originalmente por HopefulToad:

At least twice I've been killed by an enemy with a nearly full EXP bar, then went back to fight the enemy again only to find that the enemy wasn't glowing golden, meaning the EXP was lost forever.

I'm playing on the highest difficulty, but the frustration from hardly ever unlocking skill points is hampering my enjoyment of the game.

Sounds like a you problem.

1. Getting exp back, it will either be a glowing yellow enemy OR it will be on the ground around the spot you died. It never just disappears completely. (unless you die again before you collect exp from the first death)
2. If you are dying so much you are losing exp constantly, reduce the difficulty.

This is ENTIRELY on you OP

There were at least two instances where it did seem to disappear completely, possibly as a result of a bug. Fighting those desert yeti on Koboh.

[GODzilla]

Yes there is definitely a bug with retrieving lost XP. I have a white "X" marker on the map showing a player death, that Wompa-thing got me good :D.

I went back, beat his ass, he wasn't glowing golden though. I didn't notice at first that I should've gotten my XP back. Checked the map later and saw the marker, went back, nothing.

I guess the marker I need to touch is somewhere beneath the ground, like when dead NPCs stuck into level architecture or something like that. Annoying.