DENUVO

[Minute-globe]

edit: I made a petition to sega to consider to stop using denuvo: https://chng.it/zWRjp45QXk

CAN WHOEVER RUNS THIS COMPANY STOP MANDATING THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR PC RELEASES USE THIS USELESS, OBTRUSIVE, BLOATING, ALWAYS ONLINE, EASILY CRACKED DRM? PLEASE??? I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY REALLLLLLY WANTED TOO BUY THIS. I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY DO BUT I'M NOT BUYING ANY PORT WITH THIS THIRD WORLDER CRAPPY DRM THAT NO ONE LIKES.

NO ONE LIKES THIS DRM SEGA. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ NO ONE. N O O N E. UNLESS THEY'RE PAID SHILLS WHO PROMOTE THIS ANTI CONSUMER TRITE OR BLIND FANBOYS OR KIDS.

REASONS DENUVO SUCKS:

1. ADDS OVER 50,000 KILOBYTES TO THE EXE OF B L O A T. JUNK CODE TO STOP CRACKERS. HERE'S THE THING, IT IS NOT GUARANTEED TO WORK EVEN ON NEW RELEASES.

2. YOU NEED TO ACTIVATE THE PRODUCT ONLINE AND NEED TO PHONE HOME TO THEIR SERVERS EVERYTIME YOU WANNA PLAY. ATLEAST ONCE A WEEK.

3. IT CAUSES STUTTERING AND LAG. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY REMOVED THIS ♥♥♥♥ FROM TEKKEN 7 AFTER THE DIRECTER SAID IT WAS DENUVO CAUSING THE ISSUES?

4. THIS IS A NEW GAME. FINE, WHATEVER. IF YOU REMOVE IT DOWN THE LINE, THAT IS FINE BUT PUTTING IT ON AN UPDATED PS2 GAME (PERSONA 4) AND GENESIS GAMES (SONIC ORIGINS) IS INEXCUSABLE. I N E X C U S A B L E.

5. YOU ARE LOSING MONEY. MORE PEOPLE WOULD BUY YOUR GAME IF YOU DIDN'T ADD THIS ANTI CONSUMER NONSENSE. CASE IN POINT, ME. M E. M E.

I WOULD'VE BOUGHT 10 COPIES FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS YOU IDIOTS. I SWEAR TOO GOD THIS ♥♥♥♥ IS STILL ON YEARS OLD GAMES LIKE SHINING RESONANCE REFRAIN AND VALKERIA CHRONICLES 4. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON PUYO PUYO TETRIS 1. PUYO PUYO TETRIS. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TETRIS GAME. THEY PUT DENUVO ON TETRIS.

YOU ARE LOSING SALES BECAUSE OF CRAPPY DECISIONS LIKE DECIDING TO KEEP USING THIS GARBAGE. EVEN BANDAI NAMCO IS MOVING AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S IMPACTING SALES ON PRODUCTS.

REMOVE THE DENUVO AND I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL BUY 5 COPIES THE MOMENT THAT HAPPENS ON THE PRINCIPLE. DO IT. OH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE SCARED OF MONEY

Edit: here's some videos and links pertaining to why people don't like denuvo.

most recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmFdYavJtMk&list=LL&index=21&

in-depth analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VpWKwIjwLk&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKsesO3bdv4&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gcG3HPIlj4&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08zW_1-AEng&

crack completley STRIPPED denuvo out of a game and it ran 10x better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnSavmI3knQ&

site "some people" would label as "misinformation": https://everythingdenuvo.wordpress.com

i will add more when i find more.

from reddit
"Eurogamer/Digital Foundry did a test on Devil May Cry 5 and they are a reputable source:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-devil-may-cry-5-pc-denuvo-protection-tested
The game runs 7% faster without Denuvo when it's CPU limited."
source: https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/b1w6uj/dear_ca_and_sega_can_we_talk_about_denuvo/

more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWjHzD62tI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6aY2eqoP4

[Night]

OP - can you please maybe use Bold font? I guess the font was too little for me to read.

Otherwise I 100% agree with you. I and many others are waiting for Denuvo to be removed (especially from a game like this where stuttering is a game breaking issue) so we can purchase. No desire to "sail the seas", we just want to be able to play a complete workable and consumer friendly product.

[Kaldaien]

You do realize that removing Denuvo will do nothing for the stutter, correct? Like, it's not a magical panacea that fixes problems in the port. They'll fix the stutter eventually and then Denuvo will be removed in the future as well, but completely separate or all in one patch and none of it will have anything to do with Denuvo.

[Minute-globe]

dude really on here at 5:30 AM defending anti-consumer garbage

[Minute-globe]

imma repost these too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKsesO3bdv4&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VpWKwIjwLk&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gcG3HPIlj4&

kaldien or whatever his name is can keep living in la la land and keep pretending that an online check in drm that bloats your .exe to obscene amounts DOESN'T do ANYTHING negative AT ALL too your game *WINK WINK* and keep ignoring AN ACTUAL VIDEO OF A DUDE GETTING LOCKED OUT FROM PLAYING THE GAME BECAUSE OF IT, whatever, ignorance is bliss and all that.

I just find it funny that a modder who makes mods FOR THE COMMUNITY is unashamedly defending a drm that's negative for the community and going "UM WELL ACSHUALLY" to everyone. there's tons of legitimate complaints people are having. why are you being "that guy"? at this point i am really thinking you are being paid by irdeto to not say anything bad and to CONSTANTLY CORRECT ANGRY OWNERS/WOULD BE CONSUMERS WITH YOUR SMUG ATTITUDE. Do something else with your time please, I don't see the point in you trying to defend this anti consumer trite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmFdYavJtMk

[Kaldaien]

Stick to the topic at hand. I don't deny Denuvo causes problems, performance simply isn't one of them, and each of those videos you're showing is misleading and not conducted by a professional.

Myself, Durante and Digital Foundry have all looked into this multiple times. There's no truth to any of it, and you need to get better sources of information.

Only points of discussion I'm interested in having are clearing up confusion about a game's modability with Denuvo and its performance. These are things everyone is completely misinformed on and what I spend a large part of my day modding (performance).

[SmokeOfC]

Messaggio originale di Kaldaieℵ₀:

Stick to the topic at hand. I don't deny Denuvo causes problems, performance simply isn't one of them, and each of those videos you're showing is misleading and not conducted by a professional.

Myself, Durante and Digital Foundry have all looked into this multiple times. There's no truth to any of it, and you need to get better sources of information.

Only points of discussion I'm interested in having are clearing up confusion about a game's modability with Denuvo and its performance. These are things everyone is completely misinformed on and what I spend a large part of my day modding (performance).

He is backing up his conclusion with videos of tests performed... as a bystander, I'm buying his argumentation quite a bit more than yours.

I am admittedly against DRM on principle though, so count that in as you will.

Is there any data suggesting that Denuvo is NOT having an effect on performance?

[Kaldaien]

Messaggio originale di SmokeOfC:

Messaggio originale di Kaldaieℵ₀:

Stick to the topic at hand. I don't deny Denuvo causes problems, performance simply isn't one of them, and each of those videos you're showing is misleading and not conducted by a professional.

Myself, Durante and Digital Foundry have all looked into this multiple times. There's no truth to any of it, and you need to get better sources of information.

Only points of discussion I'm interested in having are clearing up confusion about a game's modability with Denuvo and its performance. These are things everyone is completely misinformed on and what I spend a large part of my day modding (performance).

He is backing up his conclusion with videos of tests performed... as a bystander, I'm buying his argumentation quite a bit more than yours.

I am admittedly against DRM on principle though, so count that in as you will.

Is there any data suggesting that Denuvo is NOT having an effect on performance?

Plenty of data suggesting that, all the reputable people in the industry analyzing and modifying game performance will tell you.

Any random individual can fabricate performance to look any way they please, meanwhile I mod the performance problems in these games all the time and the problem has -never- been Denuvo. Denuvo stays, and I fixed the performance problems without having to remove it; you know why? Cause Denuvo was never the problem in the first place in any of these games.

[ValentB]

reputable people in the industry

AKA paid by Denuvo or too afraid to speak out not to be seen as "pirates".

[SmokeOfC]

Messaggio originale di Kaldaieℵ₀:

Messaggio originale di SmokeOfC:

He is backing up his conclusion with videos of tests performed... as a bystander, I'm buying his argumentation quite a bit more than yours.

I am admittedly against DRM on principle though, so count that in as you will.

Is there any data suggesting that Denuvo is NOT having an effect on performance?

Plenty of data suggesting that, all the reputable people in the industry analyzing and modifying game performance will tell you.

Any random individual can fabricate performance to look any way they please, meanwhile I mod the performance problems in these games all the time and the problem has -never- been Denuvo. Denuvo stays, and I fixed the performance problems without having to remove it; you know why? Cause Denuvo was never the problem in the first place in any of these games.

Sure, I got that 'a lot of people' say something. But while your opposite number gives actual 3rd party proof, what you're saying is basically 'trust me, I know'.

I don't know you, so I can't really form my decision on some kinda trust here.

Have you documented your findings anywhere then..? It's not as good as actual third party documentation, but it's better than 'believe me' from a perfect stranger...

EDIT:
Just saw https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2814614451
That's even more evidence in favour of the argument that denuvo is to blame, no? seems that pretty much all evidence points to denuvo being... a blight on PC gaming alltogether.

That's "Fine" though, if the consumer gains something in the tradeoff, but I can't seem to figure out what the consumer gains here? Is there some plus to "just dealing with it"?

Why should I deal with buying a game for 50 EUR and just accept that I should get hit with straight up freezes and stuttering in any game, least of all a rythm game where... well... it being smooth is kinda important? What do I stand to gain from accepting that?

Hell, I don't even see what SEGA stands to gain from that, least of all myself or others that legally purchased the game. well, purchase is a bit harsh... rent? After all, kinda depending on denuvos good graces to be able to play it, so not like there's even an argument to be made for ownership here...

[Minute-globe]

Messaggio originale di SmokeOfC:

Messaggio originale di Kaldaieℵ₀:

Plenty of data suggesting that, all the reputable people in the industry analyzing and modifying game performance will tell you.

Any random individual can fabricate performance to look any way they please, meanwhile I mod the performance problems in these games all the time and the problem has -never- been Denuvo. Denuvo stays, and I fixed the performance problems without having to remove it; you know why? Cause Denuvo was never the problem in the first place in any of these games.

Sure, I got that 'a lot of people' say something. But while your opposite number gives actual 3rd party proof, what you're saying is basically 'trust me, I know'. I don't know you, so I can't really form my decision on some kinda trust here.

Have you documented your findings anywhere then..? It's not as good as actual third party documentation, but it's better than 'believe me' from a perfect stranger...

He wants to say that 4 videos of showing indeph testing of what denuvo does to a game "misleading" all the while not showing his indeph testing showing how denuvo doesn't impact games despite being an "expert" in the field. Ignore him. I don't use the term alot but I think he's a troll.

Also I think he's mad that Durante got an actual job in the industry working for falcom's pc ports while I have to be reminded this guy even exists. Maybe that's why he posts? It's bad publicity to vehemently defend DRM but it's still publicity?

[Icy Wings / Slime Soar]

We do have proof that
1 - Games that removed Denuvo have boosts of up to 20% in performance
2 - Stutters that are magically resolved by severing connection to Denuvo Servers
3 - Denuvo forces the PC into 100% usage.

Look, the only thing I can do besides outright piracy is to buy a better alternative than Sega's overpriced game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1216230/Project_Heartbeat/

And yes, it is another reason Indies will always be better than AAA stuff.

[TemmieNeko]

Messaggio originale di twitch.tv/Frost_Soar:

We do have proof that
1 - Games that removed Denuvo have boosts of up to 20% in performance
2 - Stutters that are magically resolved by severing connection to Denuvo Servers
3 - Denuvo forces the PC into 100% usage.

Look, the only thing I can do besides outright piracy is to buy a better alternative than Sega's overpriced game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1216230/Project_Heartbeat/

And yes, it is another reason Indies will always be better than AAA stuff.

oh, uyou just saying it is proof?
well i have proof your wrong

here

90% of all denuvo hate rhetoric is made up on the spot

wqeird

[SmokeOfC]

Messaggio originale di twitch.tv/Frost_Soar:

We do have proof that
1 - Games that removed Denuvo have boosts of up to 20% in performance
2 - Stutters that are magically resolved by severing connection to Denuvo Servers
3 - Denuvo forces the PC into 100% usage.

Look, the only thing I can do besides outright piracy is to buy a better alternative than Sega's overpriced game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1216230/Project_Heartbeat/

And yes, it is another reason Indies will always be better than AAA stuff.

Sold!

Puchased in a heartbeat!
Didn't even know that was a thing, thanks.

[SmokeOfC]

Messaggio originale di TemmieNeko:

Messaggio originale di twitch.tv/Frost_Soar:

We do have proof that
1 - Games that removed Denuvo have boosts of up to 20% in performance
2 - Stutters that are magically resolved by severing connection to Denuvo Servers
3 - Denuvo forces the PC into 100% usage.

Look, the only thing I can do besides outright piracy is to buy a better alternative than Sega's overpriced game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1216230/Project_Heartbeat/

And yes, it is another reason Indies will always be better than AAA stuff.

oh, uyou just saying it is proof?
well i have proof your wrong

here

90% of all denuvo hate rhetoric is made up on the spot

wqeird

Source?

[Tähhh]

Messaggio originale di twitch.tv/Frost_Soar:

3 - Denuvo forces the PC into 100% usage.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542047713303461908/986641596592308254/unknown.png ?