Necromorphs. The truth

[triple_agent]

What is the lore behind the Necromorphs?

[triple_agent]

Sometimes people of spirit describe their spirituality as a specific kind of relation. Relation between entities. Love is also a kind of relation. Since life has nothing better to offer than spirituality and what most people crave for is love, I say spirituality is the ultimate form of love. The belief in deeper meaning, the purpose, the passion, the fulfillment, the desire to exist [do not mistake with desire to exit]. If someone says you have no love, it means you have no spirituality. Other kind of speaking is simply hooking people up towards prolonging of the race, to drag the cart another step forward.

Which boils down to, the Marker. It does offer the journey of love on a very deep, personal level. It is not a person itself, though. It is an abstract. Much like the notion of God.

[triple_agent]

Okay, couple of questions. Just finished the game, round one complete.

First question is, why did the Hivemind need the Marker? Why did the Marker want to be placed back on the moon? Was is good for the Necromorphs or bad in the end, as Kynes was theorizing upon containing the Necromorphs using the Marker to it? I guess they would all die down there on the moon if the Ishimura with the Marker escaped, that is why Nicole in chapter eleven, correct? To make them whole again. But they could be whole anywhere they wanted to, they would simply unleash the infection again, only needing to start over. Perhaps it was a supersentient foreboding the Marker will be destroyed if it gets out there? Nobody can escape own fate, such as Nicole said. Besides, it was not THE Marker, right? Interesting though that THE Marker was found on Earth, without any Necromorph outbreak that we would have learned of.

Other question, why did the Necromorphs still attack the protagonist in the later stages, even though he was acting under the Marker influence and bringing the Marker back to the heart of the swarm? Mercer survived so long on the ship during a full blown infection outbreak, being heavily influenced by the Marker, so what was the point in attempting to destroy the protagonist on part of the Necromorphs? Nicole has said she never wanted to harm the protagonist. "Nicole", I mean, either way. But for some reason, the Necromorphs wanted him down. Is it due to another foreboding he means trouble? Fate argument again?

This way or the other, I still do not understand why the Marker wanted so badly back to the moon.

[triple_agent]

Okay, now I see the purpose behind the ship orbital engines getting sabotaged - to push the Ishimura back to the moon, "to make them whole again". But does that not put the Marker at the risk? Unless there is a deeper bottom to that action.

Speaking of deeper bottoms, the body structure of an Infector suggests that with the background of hallucinations, human males could be made to believe to have a sexual intercourse with a female, putting them at perfect position to get Necromorphed.

[MapleOmega]

Also if you are of the book reading variety. You should check Dead Space: Martyr by B.K Evenson. It gives a great origin story to Michael Altman plus the Black Marker on Earth.

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

First question is, why did the Hivemind need the Marker? Why did the Marker want to be placed back on the moon? Was is good for the Necromorphs or bad in the end, as Kynes was theorizing upon containing the Necromorphs using the Marker to it? I guess they would all die down there on the moon if the Ishimura with the Marker escaped, that is why Nicole in chapter eleven, correct? To make them whole again. But they could be whole anywhere they wanted to, they would simply unleash the infection again, only needing to start over. Perhaps it was a supersentient foreboding the Marker will be destroyed if it gets out there? Nobody can escape own fate, such as Nicole said. Besides, it was not THE Marker, right? Interesting though that THE Marker was found on Earth, without any Necromorph outbreak that we would have learned of.

Other question, why did the Necromorphs still attack the protagonist in the later stages, even though he was acting under the Marker influence and bringing the Marker back to the heart of the swarm? Mercer survived so long on the ship during a full blown infection outbreak, being heavily influenced by the Marker, so what was the point in attempting to destroy the protagonist on part of the Necromorphs? Nicole has said she never wanted to harm the protagonist. "Nicole", I mean, either way. But for some reason, the Necromorphs wanted him down. Is it due to another foreboding he means trouble? Fate argument again?

Hivemind is just a military experiment which went (guess what) horribly wrong, it has an ability to telepathically command (or rather direct) necromorphs although it was a mere drone, controlled by something else. It doesn't need the Marker supposedly and only awoke due to CEC operations on Aegis VII since they re-discovered that red 3A marker which began it's "usuals" and Hivemind had new "meat" to command.
Regarding Kynes theory: it was proven wrong since Hivemind was a mere human experiment which in turn was only used as pawn by another entity, a real Hivemind.
The "make us whole again" is basically a Convergence event which is a final destination for any marker, their ultimate purpose, what it is you'll learn later in the series.
Necromorphs are not sentient beings and Markers either (I think you could say that Marker is just a hi-tech antennae), their only purpose is to get biomass (as much as possible) and initiate a Convergence. So to directly answer your question: Marker just wants to get back on AVII by any means possible to initiate a convergence while necromorphs still doing what they are supposed to - collecting biomass by killing and mutating living things, hence the attacks on Isaac persist. In the end though the real Hivemind probably sought a threat in Isaacs doings so it directed necromorphs on AVII to deliberately kill him.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Okay, now I see the purpose behind the ship orbital engines getting sabotaged - to push the Ishimura back to the moon, "to make them whole again". But does that not put the Marker at the risk? Unless there is a deeper bottom to that action.

Only my guess, I think due to Markers mission (which is a Convergence on AVII) it uses all means possible to get back there, even the most dangerous ones, since it's not a sentient being and can't directly control humans or necromorphs to help it, it can only pressure intelligent humans to aid it via hallucinations and the outcome is kind of unpredictable, but usually it gets one step closer.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Speaking of deeper bottoms, the body structure of an Infector suggests that with the background of hallucinations, human males could be made to believe to have a sexual intercourse with a female, putting them at perfect position to get Necromorphed.

That is actually hilarious :D

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

speaking of the Black Marker........

too bad that EA cancelled the proposed plans for a possible "Dead Space 4". Because after the cliffhanger ending to the "Awakened" DLC for "Dead Space 3" (which i've seen on YouTube), they could've shown what the actual Black Marker would've looked like and how to kill it (as destroying it would've been a fitting way to end the franchise on a high note)

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

speaking of the Black Marker........

too bad that EA cancelled the proposed plans for a possible "Dead Space 4". Because after the cliffhanger ending to the "Awakened" DLC for "Dead Space 3" (which i've seen on YouTube), they could've shown what the actual Black Marker would've looked like and how to kill it (as destroying it would've been a fitting way to end the franchise on a high note)

I don't really feel bad about it since DS3 was a piece of cr@p and DS4 would've s@cked just as well in my opinion. I can only hope that one day someone somehow will acquire rights to the franchise and make an actual sequel instead of a cash-cow kind of game.
Or well, f@ck it, I could read a book instead, will do.

[triple_agent]

Originally posted by MapleOmega:

Also if you are of the book reading variety. You should check Dead Space: Martyr by B.K Evenson. It gives a great origin story to Michael Altman plus the Black Marker on Earth.

Sounds good, will keep that in mind.

Originally posted by "DeathWantsMore":

Hivemind is just a military experiment which went (guess what) horribly wrong, it has an ability to telepathically command (or rather direct) necromorphs . It doesn't need the Marker supposedly and only awoke due to CEC operations on Aegis VII since they re-discovered that red 3A marker which began it's "usuals" and Hivemind had new "meat" to command.

That is some true lovestory. Two distinct beings complementing each other. Which means, the Marker is unlikely to ever form a being such as the Hivemind? Hivemind is a human creation?

I hope there is no Sarah Kerrigan in this game. With all due respect, soldier.

Y'know, I am having a mild wheel deja vu. I have dreamt about writing about it on the forum, asking these questions and reading these answers, then remembering it was a deja vu.

Originally posted by "DeathWantsMore":

Regarding Kynes theory: [spoilermarked]

You got me lost there but the pattern seems unviersal. You see something in Dead Space, seems like the big boss, then it comes out this is a mere human faulty copy of something original, ancient and of alien origin, which is even bigger and badder.

So there is something like the real Hivemind made by the Marker?

Originally posted by "DeathWantsMore":

Necromorphs are not sentient beings and Markers either (I think you could say that Marker is just a hi-tech antennae), their only purpose is to get biomass (as much as possible) and initiate a Convergence.

Wow, wait. Marker is not sentient? I understand humans are unlikely to call anything non-humanoid properly sentient or capable of sentience, but what does Marker channel if independent sentience is not a thing? I mean, where is the mind of all these Necromorphs properly rooted? There has to be something capable of stating own agenda driving them. Gives to think about nature, though. Nature is a fact, such as physical laws, but can they state own agenda? Okay, do Necromorphs represent sentience or are they just like gravity?

Speaking of space aliens, in the sci-fi there is a thing with sentient crystalform beings. In the new-age movements as well. Silicon has also been the deal.

Speaking of the Hivemind, seeing the ease with which it has killed Kendra, then witnessing how it literally spared Isaac in a complete spontaneous deathrap situation, only to give itself to fall at the hands of the Isaac the following moment - as if it was the intended purpose - there could perhaps be something behind the scenes going on at that time, some shift of powers, making room for the Isaac to take a grander role in it perhaps in the future. When it comes to Kendra, I think she died on Ishimura, making a run for it. The rest is half-reality.

I do not yet know about the Convergence, this is prolly some Dead Space 2 stuff.

[triple_agent]

Originally posted by DeathWantsMore:

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Speaking of deeper bottoms, the body structure of an Infector suggests that with the background of hallucinations, human males could be made to believe to have a sexual intercourse with a female, putting them at perfect position to get Necromorphed.

That is actually hilarious :D

Think about it. Your dream comes true. Literally a dream, because in a reasonable world, people do not change their minds that often, especially in such a brief time. Although suddenly, she is there, for you, willing to embrace you. You can be together, united, finally, like the world has never existed. Then it comes, you merge together, become one body living in a moment. Then comes the fulfillment. You are united. Forever together. But it seems Amelia has left Kynes on death. Happiness is only possible within the boundaries of the flesh. Everything that exists, is matter. There is no higher realm. Do not trust your dreams, especially when they come true.

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

That is some true lovestory. Two distinct beings complimenting each other. Which means, the Marker is unlikely to ever form a being such as the Hivemind? Hivemind is a human creation?

Yeah.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Y'know, I am having a mild wheel deja vu. I have dreamt about writing about it on the forum, asking these questions and reading these answers, then remembering it was a deja vu.

Hah, happens!

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

You got me lost there but the pattern seems unviersal. You see something in Dead Space, seems like the big boss, then it comes out this is a mere human faulty copy of something original, ancient and of alien origin, which is even bigger and badder.

So there is something like the real Hivemind made by the Marker?

As I mentioned earlier - Marker is nothing but a mere antennae, it was made by... Something.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Wow, wait. Marker is not sentient? I understand humans are unlikely to call anything non-humanoid properly sentient or capable of sentience, but what does Marker channel if independent sentience is not a thing? I mean, where is the mind of all these Necromorphs properly rooted? There has to be something capable of stating own agenda driving them. Gives to think about nature, though. Nature is a fact, such as physical laws, but can they state own agenda? Okay, do Necromorphs represent sentience or are they just like gravity?

That's what you'll learn by playing later games.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Speaking of the Hivemind, seeing the ease with which it has killed Kendra, then witnessing how it literally spared Isaac in a complete spontaneous deathrap situation, only to give itself to fall at the hands of the Isaac the following moment - as if it was the intended purpose - there could perhaps be something behind the scenes going on at that time, some shift of powers, making room for the Isaac to take a grander role in it perhaps in the future. When it comes to Kendra, I think she died on Ishimura, making a run for it. The rest is half-reality.

Again - a good observation, it certainly feels like it when you unveiling the secrets of Dead Space 2, can't comment more on the matter though, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Think about it. Your dream comes true. Literally a dream, because in a reasonable world, people do not change their minds that often, especially in such a brief time. Although suddenly, she is there, for you, willing to embrace you. You can be together, united, finally, like the world has never existed. Then it comes, you merge together, become one body living in a moment. Then comes the fulfillment. You are united. Forever together. But it seems Amelia has left Kynes on death. Happiness is only possible within the boundaries of the flesh. Everything that exists, is matter. There is no higher realm. Do not trust your dreams, especially when they come true.

Deep thought, eh. By the way that whole Kyne arc only foreshadowing Isaacs true mental state, just like first latters in each chapter, stating the obvious: N.I.C.O.L.E. I.S. D.E.A.D.

[triple_agent]

Speaking of the Nicole, you think it is possible Isaac had never watched the video until the end, especially that he probably memorized each bit of it, until Kendra has told him to? It signifies there is a heroic journey being taken in Dead Space, a journey to accept the truth, to realize the state of things and that the life goes on without regards to how horrible or glorious the moments are. There is always something next coming, as long as you can see the difference. Void, is the lack of difference. The true eternity is indifference. That is why life is about passion.

What I think could eventually suit the bill is that Isaac received an incomplete video log from Nicole and it was Kendra who hacked her way to get the rest of the material, at first skipping the bad news, but later on, in a burst of fury, revealing it before Isaac. Unless it was already the Marker.

What I like about the Marker is that it is such a dissolution of reality. Once the Marker kicks in, you can never be sure. Maybe Isaac was already dead by then, who can tell?

Speaking of books, did you read Solaris? Pretty much Marker kind of effect there described.

EDIT:

Regarding the main story characters, namely the Isaac, the Kendra and the Hammond, I thought Kendra was kind of hooked on Isaac and feeling disappointed he was so much about Nicole, as if failing to see there is a better occasion available at hand. Hammond was a reasonable and toned dude, but Kendra appeared the adequate voice of the situation. First I thought Kendra was right and Hammond was somewhat shady, but only having obtained the full view of the Dead Space story, I realized they probably both had an agenda, both were agents. But it was Kendra who looked like she got more affected, trying to undermine Hammond at the same time, who in turn seemed to have an exit plan, but indeed was hiding something behind, making him unbelievable.

[triple_agent]

Looking up some video logs, for example the arresting of Captain by the order of doctor Kynes, we can see how the Marker influence makes people do unfortunate freudian slip kind of moves, tending towards lethal violence in result, which the perpetrators afterwards try to post-rationalize, resulting in falling into schisophrenic collisions of world perceptions. There is also a textlog of a psychiatrist on that matter, obtainable near the first encounter with a vacuum area - next to the first encounter with a paydoor and the first use of telekinesis on a grand object, all the same chamber.

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Speaking of the Nicole, you think it is possible Isaac had never watched the video until the end, especially that he probably memorized each bit of it, until Kendra has told him to? It signifies there is a heroic journey being taken in Dead Space, a journey to accept the truth, to realize the state of things and that the life goes on without regards to how horrible or glorious the moments are. There is always something next coming, as long as you can see the difference. Void, is the lack of difference. The true eternity is indifference. That is why life is about passion.

What I think could eventually suit the bill is that Isaac received an incomplete video log from Nicole and it was Kendra who hacked her way to get the rest of the material, at first skipping the bad news, but later on, in a burst of fury, revealing it before Isaac. Unless it was already the Marker.

What I like about the Marker is that it is such a dissolution of reality. Once the Marker kicks in, you can never be sure. Maybe Isaac was already dead by then, who can tell?

Could be that he didn't or he just chose to be in hard denial of how things went on Ishimura. But, yeah, ultimately I think Dead Space was a journey to accept the truth for him.
And Kendra said "Watch the whole thing this time" which probably implies that he didn't do it yet. It is also interesting that Hammond really wanted to help Isaac to find Nicole which means he wasn't sure about her fate either which implies... That Kendra actually edited the video.

[triple_agent]

So there we are, Kendra spared Isaac the breakdown from learning the truth, until the time?

When it comes to Hammond, I think his agenda was different to that of Kendra - if Kendra stealing the ship was Kendra, instead of Isaac already moonwalking. This way or the other, I think Hammond did not lie saying he was unfamiliar with the Marker case. His bussiness was murky but more plain, assuming there was yet something up.

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

So there we are, Kendra spared Isaac the breakdown from learning the truth, until the time?

Just saying that it is a probability, yes.

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

When it comes to Hammond, I think his agenda was different to that of Kendra - if Kendra stealing the ship was Kendra, instead of Isaac already moonwalking. This way or the other, I think Hammond did not lie saying he was unfamiliar with the Marker case. His bussiness was murky but more plain, assuming there was yet something up.

In that last log it was revealed that he actually requested backgrounds on Kendra and Isaac, I think it's possible that he received some intel while they were traveling on Kellion about a mole which was Kendra.