No matter how buggy the game may be on launch there are no RPGs like ES, Fallout, and Starfield.

[Mike]

As a gamer who grew up with Fallout 3, NV, Oblivion, and Skyrim, I have not experienced any open world RPGs that gives as much player choice, role playing potential, gameplay variety,....etc, as Bethesda RPGs. Yeah they are usually buggy and janky, there main stories are usually basic (to account for the open ended nature), but they give so many tools to the players to enjoy the game how you like.

Even with the potential bugs Starfield may have on launch (gameplay looked very polished), the game seems to offer even more player freedom then ever before seen in their games. Almost to the point that it is reaching sim-like levels of detail and player choice (could be a good thing or a bad thing).

This type of open ended RPG was kind of what I was expecting from CP2077, but instead we got a very focused narrative based RPG with choices centered around a few important characters. I still imagine what CP2077 could have been if it had given the player freedom like a Bethesda RPG, instead they prefer to put big name actors into their movie games to garner attention.

I can't say I'm hyped for this game, because I have not been deep into RPGs as much as I use to, but there is no denying that Bethesda KNOWs their fanbase, and they seem to have pushed their style of open ended RPGs to the limit with this new game.

Its a popular game from a studio that has been meme'd to death (many times rightfully so), but you can't deny that this game looks to be made exactly for the fans that loved their older games, to the point where they add little easter eggs/nods from their older games (adoring fan). Its kind of ridiculous how many potential ways you can potentially play this game, so lets all hope it lives up to the preview once the game releases

If their is one negative that I could see bring this game down, is putting in TOO MUCH, to the point that its a jack of all trades type of thing with very little substance. Time will tell but I was surprised by what was shown off if I;m being honest.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that AVOWED by obsidian may finally be able to get that open ended RPG feel as well.

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Mike:

If their is one negative that I could see bring this game down, is putting in TOO MUCH, to the point that its a jack of all trades type of thing with very little substance. Time will tell but I was surprised by what was shown off if I;m being honest.

Honestly though, when was the last time this actually happened?

You don't put in enough, people complain about not enough. You put in a lot and people just say it'll all be shallow.

[BEEP!]

They've said this is gaming to be there least buggy game to date they've even bragged about there testers recently talking about how positive it is.

[Pyro Penguin]

Originally posted by Mike:

but you can't deny that this game looks to be made exactly for the fans that loved their older games

i can and will deny it, i don't think they even know what made their older games popular, the last 2 fallout games were so bad they have no idea what they are doing anymore

[kdodds]

Avowed I wasn't really impressed with. Like PoE just kind of, well, left me feeling like I was playing D:OS, Avowed looks like a mish mash of borrowed "feel" from other games. It, in fact, looks to me like Outer Worlds with swapped assets. Contrarily, and I know this sounds weird, inXile's Clockwork (that everyone is comparing to Bioshock Infinite) looks fresh and interesting (despite the art style similarity). Firstly, there's a dearth of Steampunk RPGs. But, second, it looks like a fresher concept. We'll see. I'm not a huge Obsidian fan. They're okay, just never great, okay, well, Stick of Truth, but there again, not their work, they were just the muscle. However, inXile is the Wasteland, which hard spawned non-fantasy CRPGs big time. I really want to see what their team on CR has up their sleeves.

[diMaggio]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

Originally posted by Mike:

but you can't deny that this game looks to be made exactly for the fans that loved their older games

i can and will deny it, i don't think they even know what made their older games popular, the last 2 fallout games were so bad they have no idea what they are doing anymore

If you're referring to FO:76 as one of them, then that wasn't one of their SP games, but was made by their then newest and least experienced Austin team.
If anything you could consider FO:4, as that was the last of their SP action RPG games before Starfield that all of BGS worked on.

[m_train1]

Originally posted by Anonymous:

They've said this is gaming to be there least buggy game to date they've even bragged about there testers recently talking about how positive it is.

Wouldn't matter how much testing is done. The game will be full of bugs and laggy for some. That's gaming. It's not changing.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Originally posted by Mike:

If their is one negative that I could see bring this game down, is putting in TOO MUCH, to the point that its a jack of all trades type of thing with very little substance. Time will tell but I was surprised by what was shown off if I;m being honest.

Honestly though, when was the last time this actually happened?

You don't put in enough, people complain about not enough. You put in a lot and people just say it'll all be shallow.

True you can't please everybody, but with 99% of the things shown in the showcase being optional (base building, ship customization, 100% each planet...etc), people can choose to play how they want.

Originally posted by Anonymous:

They've said this is gaming to be there least buggy game to date they've even bragged about there testers recently talking about how positive it is.

Thats a good thing. The gameplay look polished, but we all know when millions of players pick start playing things unaccounted for are bound to come up.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by Mike:

Even with the potential bugs Starfield may have on launch, the game seems to offer even more player freedom then ever before seen in their games.

I can't say I'm hyped for this game.

If their is one negative...is putting in TOO MUCH.

AVOWED by Obsidian may finally be able to get that open ended RPG.

You managed to plug the letters R-P-G about seven times.

Good thing you have nine lives. You've got two left.

It's an Action/Adventure, not a role-playing game.

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They couldn't possibly put too much into a game of this magnitude. If anything, people will be demanding more.

They'll demand expansions. And they'll get them.

And yes, even if this game is a little rough around the edges, it will be impressive. The building, exploration, and visuals alone will have people enamoured for hundreds of hours.

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Obsidian's Avowed will not be open world. It'll be zones, like The Outer Worlds.

[Donaldo Trumpado]

Don't get yourself too hyped up. You don't know anything about the game, so don't say it's already game of the year or whatever. Will it be good? Probably. But don't get yourself so hyped up about it, because nothing will ever live up to your expectations

[Mike]

Originally posted by katzenkrimis:

Originally posted by Mike:

Even with the potential bugs Starfield may have on launch, the game seems to offer even more player freedom then ever before seen in their games.

I can't say I'm hyped for this game.

If their is one negative...is putting in TOO MUCH.

AVOWED by Obsidian may finally be able to get that open ended RPG.

You managed to plug the letters R-P-G about seven times.

Good thing you have nine lives. You've got two left.

It's an Action/Adventure, not a role-playing game.

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They couldn't possibly put too much into a game of this magnitude. If anything, people will be demanding more.

They'll demand expansions. And they'll get them.

And yes, even if this game is a little rough around the edges, it will be impressive. The building, exploration, and visuals alone will have people enamoured for hundreds of hours.

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Obsidian's Avowed will not be open world. It'll be zones, like The Outer Worlds.

The "what dictates an RPG" argument has been argued for years and its not a "I'm right and your wrong" type of thing. You start out with a very smart response over a topic that is NOT objective lol. Also I'm not a cat so don't treat me like one ;)

Some people need skill trees, branching paths, multiple dialog choices...etc, for something to be constituted as an RPG. Some (like myself) will call a game a RPG is it gives the player the TOOLS to ROLE PLAY as ANY type of character (or class) you want, which is exactly what most if not all Fallouts/Elder scroll games do. Was the RPG "elements" deeper in older games? Of course but there is no way you are going to tell me Starfield has no RPG elements to it.

So, your just telling me your OPINION about the definition RPGs (which is fine), but this topic you chose to come at me with is 99% SUBJECTIVE and differs from player to player.

I also never said Avowed was open world I simply compared it to the ES/Fallout games because Obsidian has been wanting to make a game like F:NV for a while. I played Outer Worlds at launch and it was mediocre at best especially compared to the freedom that F:NV provided.

Your post was nothing more then "I want to correct you and make huge assumptions about your post" lol

[Rasluka]

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by katzenkrimis:

You managed to plug the letters R-P-G about seven times.

Good thing you have nine lives. You've got two left.

It's an Action/Adventure, not a role-playing game.

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They couldn't possibly put too much into a game of this magnitude. If anything, people will be demanding more.

They'll demand expansions. And they'll get them.

And yes, even if this game is a little rough around the edges, it will be impressive. The building, exploration, and visuals alone will have people enamoured for hundreds of hours.

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Obsidian's Avowed will not be open world. It'll be zones, like The Outer Worlds.

The "what dictates an RPG" argument has been argued for years and its not a "I'm right and your wrong" type of thing. You start out with a very smart response over a topic that is NOT objective lol. Also I'm not a cat so don't treat me like one ;)

Some people need skill trees, branching paths, multiple dialog choices...etc, for something to be constituted as an RPG. Some (like myself) will call a game a RPG is it gives the player the TOOLS to ROLE PLAY as ANY type of character (or class) you want, which is exactly what most if not all Fallouts/Elder scroll games do. Was the RPG "elements" deeper in older games? Of course but there is no way you are going to tell me Starfield has no RPG elements to it.

So, your just telling me your OPINION about the definition RPGs (which is fine), but this topic you chose to come at me with is 99% SUBJECTIVE and differs from player to player.

I also never said Avowed was open world I simply compared it to the ES/Fallout games because Obsidian has been wanting to make a game like F:NV for a while. I played Outer Worlds at launch and it was mediocre at best especially compared to the freedom that F:NV provided.

Your post was nothing more then "I want to correct you and make huge assumptions about your post" lol

definitions of genres of games is not subjective lol
they're objective, by definition

like If someone says they think Fifa is an RPG just because they can role play as a footballer then they're just wrong

[Mike]

Originally posted by Rasluka:

definitions of genres of games is not subjective lol
they're objective, by definition

like If someone says they think Fifa is an RPG just because they can role play as a footballer then they're just wrong

I never said there was not a standard for labeling/defining game genres. The guy I responded to said Starfield was an "action adventure game" and not an RPG. Yet it is marketed by the creators as an RPG and I argued that Starfield WAS and RPG (so I agree with you).

When I was taking about subjective views on a games genre I was mainly talking about the line of when something is a "action game" over and "RPG". When 99% of modern games that release now a days are a combination of multiple genres, new sub genres start being created constantly, and people start arguing over things that are no longer black and white.

I take the stance of, if the devs say its a certain genre, then I will take their word for it, because its their game. People can argue over what they think the genre is all day but I don't really care at the end of the day.

[Soüp]

It's funny because even if the game releases as typically buggy as older Bethesda games like Oblivion did, it would still be in far better shape than most AAA releases in the past 6 months. People just can't stop memeing about Bethesda bugs for whatever reason.

[Zero Point World eater]

I appreciate your passion. I agree with what you said.

[KripTed]

If I’m paying 89.99 Mike. I don’t care what other games this company had made in the past. It better be bug and stutter free at 120 fps.