Stealth is garbage

[Officer Honk]

Anyone else have an awful time with stealth? enemies instantly spotting you in the dark? Its pretty awful, making the biggest ryujin mission completely luck based it seems, since enemies will instantly spot you no matter what if they even see your foot.

Edit: dear lord i just wanted advice and yall go full arguement mode in here :(

[kdodds]

Nope, it's actually fixed. No more de facto invisibility at low level sneak/stealth. If you use a light source, they'll spot it. If you make noise, they'l hear you. It's probably the noise part that's getting you caught.

[blumoose]

My bigger concern is that I think on harder difficulties enemies spot you easier, but I haven't tested this thoroughly.

I found that one point in sneak was pretty effective from a distance and with silent weapons. However, you have to be careful and move slowly. Also, if you have your flashlight on, they will see you much more easily. Companions also are bad at staying stealthy once you start fighting, and make it a lot harder. I don't know if that factors in to things, but I think if they notice your companion, they sort of notice you too.

To me it feels pretty realistic for sniping overall. And even with just one point invested, I think it was worth it. It's not as powerful as previous games, but in Skyrim and many other sneak-based games, it is pretty ridiculous what you can do.

That said, I am sure it can be tweaked and perfected some.

[naomha]

Originally posted by kdodds:

Nope, it's actually fixed. No more de facto invisibility at low level sneak/stealth. If you use a light source, they'll spot it. If you make noise, they'l hear you. It's probably the noise part that's getting you caught.

What he said. Just like in all the previous Bethesda games "noise" is calculated per cell and distance. In Skyrim it was ridiculously high and got lowered in the first patch or so. You could go into a completely empty home in Skyrim, steal some stuff and sneak out and totally get busted by the guards because the "noise" you made alerted them 50 cells away.

In the Fallout games the Stealth Boy basically "breaks" how the Creation Engine uses sound and negates it completely. Until you make sound again, anyway.

[Xcorps]

Originally posted by Officer Honk:

Anyone else have an awful time with stealth? enemies instantly spotting you in the dark? Its pretty awful, making the biggest ryujin mission completely luck based it seems, since enemies will instantly spot you no matter what if they even see your foot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16hb8r2/this_guy_is_playing_dishonored_while_were_all/

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by Officer Honk:

Stealth is garbage.

I don't play stealth but I don't believe that it's garbage.

Some of the people that claim this haven't even mastered the stealth skills. Others are simply bad at the game. From all of the bases that I've wiped out, I can see how I'd approach the stealth options.

They are all there for the taking, but they would extend your playtime greatly because you'd require a high level of patience until you learn the layouts of all of the buildings.

Patience is an attribute that most gamers don't have.

So they just say, "Stealth sucks."

[Iratus Machina]

The last Ryujin quest is where I gave up with stealth and went in shooting. Enemies knew exactly where I was and fired with pin-point accuracy the moment I peeked around the air duct. Got chewed out for resorting to self-defense, but screw it. If the game ain't playing fair, I won't.

[Iratus Machina]

Maybe it wasn't self-defense considering I was trespassing onto private property, but my point still stands!

[jorvinn]

Yeah.. everyone has razor eyes.. that see you stealthed _and_ camoflaged at a drop of a pin.. not sure if has something to do with the space suit itself.. if it is better to remove it for stealth or perhaps it has no relevance in that equation.

[palathas]

Even with Rank 3 in stealth, me with no companion, standing still behind some boxes, night time, in the shadows and the enemy across the other side of the compound as soon as they were in line of sight to me they instantly spotted me and thus all 10 or so enemies instantly knew where I was and rushed me.

I might just give it a miss from now on and stop wasting skill points. I was also going to add some to concealment but it hardly seems worth my while.

[Purple Sauce]

I didn't have an issue with it. . . Are you toggling walk or just leaving it on run because if you do so you will be caught.

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by kdodds:

Nope, it's actually fixed. No more de facto invisibility at low level sneak/stealth. If you use a light source, they'll spot it. If you make noise, they'l hear you. It's probably the noise part that's getting you caught.

The game is supposed to be an RPG. Where stats matter more. Now it feels like a run and gun action adventure.

[Jaggid Edje]

Works quite well if you have skill in it, especially if you have the "Chameleon" affix on your suit or helmet. Chameleon is a game changer if you like to stealth.

[dethtrain]

It's definitely sensitive. I can't even imagine trying to stealth attack with melee weapons. It seems fine for ranged suppressed gameplay as long as you're a significant distance away.

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by dethtrain:

It's definitely sensitive. I can't even imagine trying to stealth attack with melee weapons. It seems fine for ranged suppressed gameplay as long as you're a significant distance away.

Melee stealth is way too hard now.

[Onikage]

The whole argument about noise made from steps because of the weight of the space suit and helmet that is equipped is unfounded.

In the menu under the Help tab open it up and scroll all the way down to Stealth. It makes no mention of weight whatsoever, it mentions skills and equipment than can help with stealth, but not the weight of your gear specifically.

It's not like you can un-equip your space suit in in all circumstances anyways, so that would be a major drawback to stealth focused builds to have it make or break the stealth mechanic based specifically on the weight of the space suit.

Being a ranged sniper or assassin is much easier than trying to be the up close and personal melee ninja.

I am working my way down towards the concealment skill and I've read that it's a nightmare to level because of how difficult it is to get within melee range undetected to pull off a melee sneak attack successfully.