So...20 years later, can you finally climb ladders in this Bethesda game?

[Amplifier]

If you think Valve being unable to count to 3 is bad, here's a shocker for you.

It's been over 20 years of Bethesda's existence and yet they have been unable to fix the elusive problem of CLIMBING LADDERS. Ever realized this? From Morrowind to FO4 and yet we cant climb a single ladder. A mere simple function you can even find in 1990s video games.

Heck, even modders in Skyrim finally solved this damn issue. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/63232

I'd be more sad than shocked if I boot up Starfield and find out the player character still doesn't know how to climb a freaking ladder.

[NTense]

Unbelievable

[Amplifier]

Todd Howard used to give the excuse that FO4 didnt have ladders since the engine cant do it.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2010/08/14/why-there-are-no-ladders-in-fallout

Can't do it? Then what the hell am I seeing in Skyrim modding right now, Todd Howard??? Cant do it my ass.

[Iratus Machina]

Okay, two things I'm going to have to address here. This is going to be a doozy.

1. This thought didn't even occur to me until I recently downloaded a climbable ladders mod for Fallout 4[www.nexusmods.com]. I mean, I totally forgot if the game even had ladders, but at times it seriously needed ladders.

2. Looks like from what I could pick up from screenshots and the Direct, looks like you traverse up and down the floors from your ship hull from, get this ladders[w.wallha.com]. As someone who is a stickler for immersion, I hope to God those ladders have a little climbing animation or at least pull a Valve and let you go flying up the ladder when you hold down W or I will be a very unhappy camper!

[kdodds]

I think the biggest part of not tackling this "problem" is that a) ladders aren't laying about in the real world, they interrupt the continuity of story/realism, b) they're really not of much use in an ARPG, and c) the physics involved if not solely a "cut to animation". So I don't think they really felt inclined to create ladder climbing animations. We did get a guy climbing a ladder in the very first reveal though, so, we'll see.

[Mexicola9302]

Wow breathtaking. https://youtu.be/VovlWqw4oKw?t=50

[Daedrius]

Yeah, ladders and jetpacks. Weird combo.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

the very first vid showed ladder climbing.

[Tenoshii]

Imagine being concerned about ladders in a game where you have a jetpack that turns the player into a flying drone.

[pizza7]

i need ladders i want a career of windowcleaning.

[P.]

Creation Engine 2, but no ladders/climbing/vehicles?

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

the very first vid showed ladder climbing.

Cinematic trailer

[halfmonkey]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Imagine being concerned about ladders in a game where you have a jetpack that turns the player into a flying drone.

You keep parroting this in nearly every post you make. It is not true. The jetpack functions like a booster jump and upgrading only grants you longer jump and hover times.

It does not fly like a drone.

[Bordric]

Lots of games you can't climb ladders in, never cared in all those games are old Bethesda games.

[Oubley]

Why would there be ladders? How many people and buildings use ladders in real life?

They are dangerous, there is less risk if you had lifts with proximity sensors.

Hence, no reason to have ladder.

[Trec]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Imagine being concerned about ladders in a game where you have a jetpack that turns the player into a flying drone.

[Iratus Machina]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Imagine being concerned about ladders in a game where you have a jetpack that turns the player into a flying drone.

Now, I know it sounds ridiculous and I'm about to make even more ridiculous points to back it up, but hear me out. And yes, I'm about to make a comparison to Star Citizen to back up my claims. So, here we go.

If there's one thing I believe Star Citizen does right, it's the overall interactivity you have with your spaceships. Your spaceships aren't just pretty window dressing you can get in and out of with the press of a button. Take the Hornet for example. You've got ramps sliding out of compartments, ladders descending into view, windshields popping open and when you enter the ship, you're not just appearing inside like magic. No, you watch yourself climb in and out of said ship, adjust yourself into your seat, grab the controls while the windshield seals back in...

This isn't just about the ladders. No, no, no. This...this right here is about making the whole experience of boarding and interacting with the ship feel alive, like it's your new home or your own car to do what you want with it. And to feel immersed throughout not just the boarding and leaving, but going through the ship and interacting with every single minor detail? *chefs kiss*

Really hoping Todd Howard learned a few lessons from Chris Roberts on spaceship interaction and immersion to make the whole starship crew experience feel alive and fun. If there's one little immersion thing Bethesda usually gets right in their games, you can usually sit in just about any chair you can see. All I want is that, but not just with ladders, but with the rest of the spaceship, too.

And to add another unrelated point just on ladders alone which ties into the whole thing, Half-Life 1 and 2 and just about every other Valve game has intractable ladders (even if they're rather simplified), so why can't Bethesda games?

tl;dr Here's why I wish for intractable ladders and so much more.