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Tafuu Sep 1, 2023 @ 3:56am
Any viable way to play with HDD ?
I guess we all noticed now thats in unplayable and laggy af with a HDD but does anyone maybe a fix or an idea what could be done, cauze holy star citizen runs smoothly with a HDD i dont know why starfield cant get over it.

Edit: Thanks to steam i could refund it (2.3hrs), i'm sad about it, i was/am really hyped for the game, and what i could play looked and felt good, hope bethesda will optimize their game so that it runs on HDD aswell.
Last edited by Tafuu; Sep 1, 2023 @ 6:06am
Originally posted by saufbiene:
aww the good old what is better solution HDD or SSD talk... (this talk over what is better is so old as the SSD technology itself)
i also have a high end system and install all of my games on a HDD not on a SSD (on purpose)

my setup:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900x
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6700 xt
Ram 64gb of DDR4 3200Mhz cl16
Motherboard MSI MAG b550 Tomahawk
1tb Samsung 970 evo M2 NVME SSD (system drive)
4tb Western digital Black 7200rpm HDD and a old 128GB SSD as read cache for the HDD


first at all i also have the same problems not only on pc but on a XBOX series x too it lags itself out not to mention audio distorting and more bugs. (before someone says HDD the XBOX series X uses a M2 NVME SSD but i also get the same lags on the pc even if i reinstalled it on my NVME :steamfacepalm: )
so the sentence get a SSD is not a good point here it also has so many problems there what makes it utterly amusing.
the problem is also not the slower drive but more that the game tries to load everything from your SSD/HDD every single time and don't cache things in the ram what most games actually do, like character designs, textures or even levels.
this makes it unplayable at least for those who have a potato pc or have problems even on M2 NVME SSD directly attached to the PCIe lanes on your Motherboard or normal SATA SSD that is slower bcz limited to the 6Gbit/s SATA limitation .
so for me it looks more like the devs made the same errors as in fallout 4 and just placed a SSD as min specification in to cover that up. Another funny thing you also get those lags and stutter even if you play over the cloud from XBOX with a FTTX (fiber optical) connection.
i tried both versions steam and Xbox and yeah... it is what it is not rly optimized yet.
But apparently there exists also people who can run the game over a HDD without issues even some game sites reported it that it is playable over HDD but you have longer loading times and also covered that people with SSD or NVME also have problems in lags, audio errors and more.
so for now i will just wait till they fix it or until someone get a mod functioning to cache things to ram for better experience.
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cocomonkilla Sep 1, 2023 @ 3:57am 
yea

buy a solid state
copy files to it
Zaigan Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:01am 
Not sure what's doing it but to be fair to starfield they do have it in their system specs that a SSD is required. Thankfully they aren't more than $70 for a 1TB drive at Best Buy where I'm at.

Hopefully as time goes and they get more reports they eventually get around to being able to smooth out some of the problems on HDD.
Bandy Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:02am 
OMG, SSDs are so cheap now, just get into the century... (。>﹏<。)
Inquerion Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:04am 
Originally posted by Tafuu:
I guess we all noticed now thats in unplayable and laggy af with a HDD but does anyone maybe a fix or an idea what could be done, cauze holy star citizen runs smoothly with a HDD i dont know why starfield cant get over it.

Best solution: buy SSD. Really. This game is poorly optimized and has lot's of loading screens. Even cheap SATA SSD like Crucial MX500 or 870EVO will be ok if you can't put NVME into your old rig.

Other solutions:
1. Try moving the game to the C (first partition) partition (TLDR:. on HDD games runs slightly quicker on first partition; long story, you can read about it on the internet).
2. Make sure that you have at least 25% of free space on that partition (even better; 50%).
3. Defrag the drive with UltraDefrag or default Windows defrag tool. It may took a few hours (max), depending how fragmented your drive is.
Last edited by Inquerion; Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:06am
Maxpeinas Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:05am 
I've seen people reporting that they are playing on HDD without any issues. No idea if they are serious or just trolls.
Kboss Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:05am 
Originally posted by Tafuu:
I guess we all noticed now thats in unplayable and laggy af with a HDD but does anyone maybe a fix or an idea what could be done, cauze holy star citizen runs smoothly with a HDD i dont know why starfield cant get over it.
Okay grandpa lets go to the bed
Inquerion Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:07am 
Originally posted by Kboss:
Originally posted by Tafuu:
I guess we all noticed now thats in unplayable and laggy af with a HDD but does anyone maybe a fix or an idea what could be done, cauze holy star citizen runs smoothly with a HDD i dont know why starfield cant get over it.
Okay grandpa lets go to the bed

HDDs are still good for 90%+ games, kiddo. Source: your grandpa.

Only newest poorly optimized games work so bad on HDDs, because why optimize it when your consumers can keep buying new SSDs...
Tafuu Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:08am 
Originally posted by Inquerion:
Originally posted by Tafuu:
I guess we all noticed now thats in unplayable and laggy af with a HDD but does anyone maybe a fix or an idea what could be done, cauze holy star citizen runs smoothly with a HDD i dont know why starfield cant get over it.

Best solution: buy SSD. Really. This game is poorly optimized and has lot's of loading screens. Even cheap SATA SSD like Crucial MX500 or 870EVO will be ok if you can't put NVME into your old rig.

Other solutions:
1. Try moving the game to the C (first partition) partition (TLDR:. on HDD games runs slightly quicker on first partition).
2. Make sure that you have at least 25% of free space on that partition free (even better; 50%).
3. Defrag the drive with UltraDefrag or default Windows defrag tool. It may took a few hours max depending how fragmented your drive is.

NVME shouldnt be a problem, can u recommend any good not to expensive SSD ? the PC was expensive enough thats why i choose HDD when i build it
MechaDeka Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:09am 
Originally posted by Tafuu:
I guess we all noticed now thats in unplayable and laggy af with a HDD but does anyone maybe a fix or an idea what could be done, cauze holy star citizen runs smoothly with a HDD i dont know why starfield cant get over it.
Because every developer that isn't Bethesda has known how to properly pre-cache maps and other content for like the past 20 years. Starfield needing an SSD is essentially a band-aid solution.
Inquerion Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:12am 
Originally posted by Maxpeinas:
I've seen people reporting that they are playing on HDD without any issues. No idea if they are serious or just trolls.

Except for a lot longer loading screens, small FPS drops and sometimes ugly "90s" placeholder textures loading before normal HD textures, it should be playable.

It depends how tolerant and patient you are regarding this stuff.

And of course, players with more expensive 7200 RPM HDDs will have better experience (and less annoying loading screens) than users with laptop 5400 RPM HDDs.
Tafuu Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:15am 
Originally posted by Inquerion:
Originally posted by Maxpeinas:
I've seen people reporting that they are playing on HDD without any issues. No idea if they are serious or just trolls.

Except for a lot longer loading screens, small FPS drops and sometimes ugly "90s" placeholder textures loading before normal HD textures, it should be playable.

It depends how tolerant and patient you are regarding this stuff.

And of course, players with more expensive 7200 RPM HDDs will have better experience (and less annoying loading screens) than users with laptop 5400 RPM HDDs.

if it it only would be that, that would be a dream, but damn, game is freezing, sound is inconsistent, dialog is not sync.
Inquerion Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:16am 
Originally posted by Tafuu:
Originally posted by Inquerion:

Best solution: buy SSD. Really. This game is poorly optimized and has lot's of loading screens. Even cheap SATA SSD like Crucial MX500 or 870EVO will be ok if you can't put NVME into your old rig.

Other solutions:
1. Try moving the game to the C (first partition) partition (TLDR:. on HDD games runs slightly quicker on first partition).
2. Make sure that you have at least 25% of free space on that partition free (even better; 50%).
3. Defrag the drive with UltraDefrag or default Windows defrag tool. It may took a few hours max depending how fragmented your drive is.

NVME shouldnt be a problem, can u recommend any good not to expensive SSD ? the PC was expensive enough thats why i choose HDD when i build it

I'm sorry I'm also new to SSDs.

Bought my first SATA SSD (Samsung 870 EVO) recently and I'm happy with it.
I heard that Samsung and Crucial SSDs are good.
Avoid cheapest ones like Patriot Burst, they have very poor controllers.

And remember that SSDs can suddenly die and you will lose ALL data on them (HDDs data can de saved in most cases) so always do regular backups to HDDs or Cloud if you have imporant data on them.

HDDs are also better as a long term storage; they can hold data for years.

SSDs are great for gaming and work though.
Tachyon Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:18am 
Only really badly optimised games need an SSD. Game devs just want gamers to buy SSDs so that they don't have to fix anything themselves.
kdodds Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:38am 
Not currently. Even people with killer systems are reporting performance issues when installing on HDD. Hence, SSD REQUIRED.
Tafuu Sep 1, 2023 @ 4:53am 
Originally posted by kdodds:
Not currently. Even people with killer systems are reporting performance issues when installing on HDD. Hence, SSD REQUIRED.

yes i can tell the same
GPU.: AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core 32GB Ram

but on a HDD it runs like ♥♥♥♥, and pls dont ask me why i have HDD with such a setup, the short answer is there was never a reason for an SSd
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