PIRATES and TORRENT???

[T.U.R.O.K]

Forgive my bad English.

Dear developers, explain to me WHY buy a regular edition if the game comes out without protection?

I will explain my logic.
The premium edition will be available on September 1. If the game does not have DRM protection, then on the SAME DAY it will appear on pirated torrents!!!!! That is, people who BOUGHT a standard edition will be able to play 5 days later than pirates???!!!

In any case, I bought myself a premium edition, such games are released too rarely, in order to save on them)

[SEEGSON SYNTHETICS]

This guy wants DRM. We've been pushing back against that bs for years and this guy wants DRM.

[Lahang]

Originally posted by Looney:

Originally posted by Sav:

Are you seriously asking for a DRM that would end up eating resources on your pc? Jesus...

Also, even if the game managed to get pirated, you are going to have a tough time not getting further patches for bug fixing and also, getting the latest mods at places like Nexus (plenty of mod authors would require you to have the latest updated version to run, that means having an official copy instead of a pirated one).

You are wrong if the game has no DRM the pirated patches will appear the instant they show up on steam. Just as they do with BG3 now.

Not instantly actually, and the side effects so to speak of a crack applied to a client in order to perform are always random, plus... well, not the entire pirate scene is keen to "offer it for free", some are known for adding malware into their cracks.
Nothing is free in this world.

[T.U.R.O.K]

Originally posted by LEONKENNEDY2K:

This guy wants DRM. We've been pushing back against that bs for years and this guy wants DRM.

Do you seem to be for piracy?
I want to postpone the release date to September 1 for all editions. In my opinion, pirates should not be on a par with the people who bought the game)

[Lahang]

Better to pay up to compensate the devs of a game for their work, like it should be, instead of risking your system in order to get a pirated copy (you could be lucky and get a cracked copy of an altruistic group let's say, instead from a malicious one -> kinda what happened long ago with the first pirated copies of Watchdogs with unsuspected hidden cryptominers).

[Mu'Ammar of Carthus]

You're talking as if there's no chance they'll sneak Denuvo in the game at the last minute, like a few others already did.

Originally posted by T.U.R.O.K:

Originally posted by LEONKENNEDY2K:

This guy wants DRM. We've been pushing back against that bs for years and this guy wants DRM.

Do you seem to be for piracy?
I want to postpone the release date to September 1 for all editions. In my opinion, pirates should not be on a par with the people who bought the game)

I couldn't care less about piracy, I care about me and my own interests, and DRM serves mine in absolutely no way.

[Heathy]

Ultimately its on Bethesda, I guess they feel that they'll make more money offering up a 5 day early access launch and ppl buying premium, than what they'll lose from having that version out before the standard launch. ideally a game would launch and everyone would be playing at the same time, but they've obviously weighed up the pros and cons and decided that this is one way to generate extra money. I mean it does play on ppls impatience. but its their game, they are essentially free to offer it up in any way they see fit.

as consumers we have to vote with our wallets.

from my perspective its whatever, there will be ppl picking the game up and playing it for the first time, several years from now. it really just depends on how much it really bothers you. there are probably many more things happening in the world that could bother anyone more than this if you actually spent the time to obsessively focus on it as a problem.

[T.U.R.O.K]

Originally posted by Heathy:

Ultimately its on Bethesda, I guess they feel that they'll make more money offering up a 5 day early access launch and ppl buying premium, than what they'll lose from having that version out before the standard launch. ideally a game would launch and everyone would be playing at the same time, but they've obviously weighed up the pros and cons and decided that this is one way to generate extra money. I mean it does play on ppls impatience. but its their game, they are essentially free to offer it up in any way they see fit.

as consumers we have to vote with our wallets.

from my perspective its whatever, there will be ppl picking the game up and playing it for the first time, several years from now. it really just depends on how much it really bothers you. there are probably many more things happening in the world that could bother anyone more than this if you actually spent the time to obsessively focus on it as a problem.

My question is not my problem)
However, I am interested in what the developer will do and what thoughts people have about this.

[Heathy]

really on a long enough time scale these games make their money back and then some, even with the piracy, I'd like to think perhaps naively that most pirates are in fact some what morally conscious and even if they don't buy the game straight away, their intention is to do so when they have the disposable income.

essentially, if a product is good, ppl will buy it, for moral reasons, legal reasons, convenience or simply because they want to see more of that thing that they enjoy. I bet skyrim is likely one of the most pirated games in existence. but i'd wager that a fair amount of those ppl who pirated it, did eventually buy a copy. at least those who liked it enough and didn't just delete it the next day.

as far as i'm concerned there are more games than there is life span, so, do what you will, but you should support the developers of games you enjoy so that they make more games for you to enjoy. its relatively logical.

[OveR]

This game is gonna be huge. I wouldn't be surprised if the game gets over one million players at launch playing it just on Steam.

So I don't think Bethesda and Microsoft really concern if they release DRM-free game and people pirate it.

[Major von Stieglitz]

True, thats the reason why only 10 ppl playing actually Baldurs Gate 3, all other got a pirate version. *ironic off*

[Zunnoab #931]

Lack of invasive or nanny-like online license systems isn't the same thing as not having DRM.

Originally posted by OKW Major von Hohen:

True, thats the reason why only 10 ppl playing actually Baldurs Gate 3, all other got a pirate version. *ironic off*

I forgot Larian doesn't use DRM. I don't agree with anti-Denuvo hysteria, but I'm not pro-nanny DRM either. It's the small indie teams or struggling devs that are hurt most by pirates, and even then there's the whole "copy does not equal lost sale necessarily" thing too. It's ridiculous to claim piracy doesn't hurt sales at all, but the DRM-free games show it's not required.

I think the trend of Denuvo for a while with it being patched out later is a fair compromise.

I deleted my accidental double post.

[slicker]

Originally posted by OKW Major von Hohen:

True, thats the reason why only 10 ppl playing actually Baldurs Gate 3, all other got a pirate version. *ironic off*

Yes indeed, let me check steam charts, the second most played game on Steam, even above DOTA 2. Yep those pirates are the worst :))))))

And this without counting GoG players. Quality. Dedication. Long live Larian.

[MajorLeandro]

This can't be serious!
Man, if you don't buy a original game you are stolen a property.

[HeyYou]

Beth doesn't do invasive DRM because they don't have to. Enough folks love their games, and actually pay for them, that any 'lost sales' to pirates is insignificant. That, and why spend the money to implement DRM, just to delay that pirates by a day or so? Folks that generally pirate a game, weren't going to buy it anyway, and some folks that DO pirate the game, will decide they like it, and then buy the game......

[Karlsson]

Originally posted by T.U.R.O.K:

Originally posted by Heathy:

Ultimately its on Bethesda, I guess they feel that they'll make more money offering up a 5 day early access launch and ppl buying premium, than what they'll lose from having that version out before the standard launch. ideally a game would launch and everyone would be playing at the same time, but they've obviously weighed up the pros and cons and decided that this is one way to generate extra money. I mean it does play on ppls impatience. but its their game, they are essentially free to offer it up in any way they see fit.

as consumers we have to vote with our wallets.

from my perspective its whatever, there will be ppl picking the game up and playing it for the first time, several years from now. it really just depends on how much it really bothers you. there are probably many more things happening in the world that could bother anyone more than this if you actually spent the time to obsessively focus on it as a problem.

My question is not my problem)
However, I am interested in what the developer will do and what thoughts people have about this.

If you don't like that the game gets released without Denuvo, you can refund your prepurchase and wait until release to know for sure. You also can't have modding support if you use Denuvo, so I believe people would be more disappointed with it than without.