Let's all thank for FSR instead of DLSS

[gatto_nero]

Instead of bumping those negative DLSS threads I propose to thank developers for implementation for open technology such as FSR.

"AMD gaming chief Frank Azor is trying to thread a needle. He seemingly wants to say that AMD did not actually make Starfield, quite possibly the year’s biggest PC game, exclusively support AMD’s FSR upscaling technology at the expense of competitors like Nvidia DLSS. ..."
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/25/22372077/amd-starfield-dlss-fsr-exclusive-frank-azor

Majority of gamers don't have access to DLSS and yet voice of minority is being heard on this forums.

Let all together thank under this post for FSR - frame generation and upscaling for everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYO4RJHf7QU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttHxmKFpm4

Ok I crunched numbers from the survey
According to the latest data, there are 132 million monthly active users on Steam

PC VIDEO CARD USAGE BY MFG show
74,69% Nvidia
15,93% AMD
09,02% Intel
00,36% other

But on the table lower Video Card Description we have:
27,75% GTX - 36630000 users
38,65% RTX - 51018000 users
11,86% AMD - 15655200 users
07,49% Intel - 9886800 users

So lets split DLSS version 2 vs 3
09,28% RTX 2000 - 12249600 users
25,55% RTX 3000 - 33726000 users
03,60% RTX 4000 - 4752000 users
titan not included here

PlayStation 5 Total Sales: 35942643
Xbox Series X|S Total Sales: 21351543
Steam deck ???

DLSS 2 total users ALL RTX cards = 51,018,000 users
DLSS 3 total users only RTX 4 cards = 4,752,000 users
AMD hardware users including consoles = 72,949,386 users (excluding unknown number of steam deck additional millions)

Lets count hardware without DLSS support so I will include only AMD, Intel, GTX hardware

119,466,186 non DLSS hardware
vs
51,018,000 DLSS enabled hardware


Users of those GPUs should be thankful:
- Xbox Series X
- Xbox Series S

- GeForce GTX 950
- GeForce GTX 960
- GeForce GTX 970
- GeForce GTX 980
- GeForce GTX 980 Ti
- GeForce GTX Titan X
- GeForce GTX 1030
- GeForce GTX 1050
- GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
- GeForce GTX 1060
- GeForce GTX 1070
- GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
- GeForce GTX 1080
- GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
- TITAN X
- TITAN Xp
- TITAN V
- GeForce GTX 1630
- GeForce GTX 1650
- GeForce GTX 1650 Super
- GeForce GTX 1660
- GeForce GTX 1660 Super
- GeForce GTX 1660 Ti
- GeForce RTX 2060
- GeForce RTX 2060 Super
- GeForce RTX 2070
- GeForce RTX 2070 Super
- GeForce RTX 2080
- GeForce RTX 2080 Super
- GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
- GeForce TITAN RTX
- GeForce RTX 3050
- GeForce RTX 3060
- GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
- GeForce RTX 3070
- GeForce RTX 3070 Ti
- GeForce RTX 3080
- GeForce RTX 3080 Ti
- GeForce RTX 3090
- GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
- GeForce RTX 4060
- GeForce RTX 4060 Ti
- GeForce RTX 4070
- GeForce RTX 4070 Ti
- GeForce RTX 4080
- GeForce RTX 4090

- Radeon RX 520
- Radeon RX 530
- Radeon RX 540
- Radeon RX 550
- Radeon RX 550X
- Radeon RX 560
- Radeon RX 570
- Radeon RX 580
- Radeon RX 590
- Radeon RX Vega 56
- Radeon RX Vega 64
- Radeon VII
- Radeon RX 5300
- Radeon RX 5300 XT
- Radeon RX 5500
- Radeon RX 5500 XT
- Radeon RX 5600
- Radeon RX 5600 XT
- Radeon RX 5700
- Radeon RX 5700 XT
- Radeon RX 6400
- Radeon RX 6500 XT
- Radeon RX 6600
- Radeon RX 6600 XT
- Radeon RX 6650 XT
- Radeon RX 6700
- Radeon RX 6750 XT
- Radeon RX 6800
- Radeon RX 6800 XT
- Radeon RX 6900 XT
- Radeon RX 6950 XT
- Radeon RX 7600
- Radeon RX 7900 XT
- Radeon RX 7900 XTX

so users STOP THE NONSENSE - bump only post that cherish implementation of upscaling that is supported by your hardware - don't discuss with Nvidia fanboys that sits on their newest GPUs

Thanks for your message and involvement :) Have a good day

EDIT: hardware survey with gpu market share GTX 1650 is on the top https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

[Whisperill]

Thanks AMD.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Hardware-agnostic features are welcome. I only care that it be a good implementation of whatever solutions are offered.

[Gisborne]

Автор сообщения: dannyj147

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Also NOTE THIS

STARFIELD has NOT been allowed on Nvidia Now, removing the chance to play for many people who rely on mvidia now as their gaming device.

That's because no Microsoft games are on Geforce Now currently. There is a deal going ahead to bring Microsoft games to the platform though.

Why doss there need to be a deal? They charging nvidia? When nvidia has to manage all the servers and tech and people have to buy the game also to play on nvidia now meaning they are already getting g their money for selling the game?

[dannyj147]

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Автор сообщения: dannyj147

That's because no Microsoft games are on Geforce Now currently. There is a deal going ahead to bring Microsoft games to the platform though.

Why doss there need to be a deal? They charging nvidia? When nvidia has to manage all the servers and tech and people have to buy the game also to play on nvidia now meaning they are already getting g their money for selling the game?

Don't forget Microsoft game pass could be considered a direct rival to Geforce Now.

[Gisborne]

Автор сообщения: dannyj147

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Why doss there need to be a deal? They charging nvidia? When nvidia has to manage all the servers and tech and people have to buy the game also to play on nvidia now meaning they are already getting g their money for selling the game?

Don't forget Microsoft game pass could be considered a direct rival to Geforce Now.

Why would Microsoft not want to sell full priced steam copies though? They make more money from steam sales than gamepass subs

[dannyj147]

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Автор сообщения: dannyj147

Don't forget Microsoft game pass could be considered a direct rival to Geforce Now.

Why would Microsoft not want to sell full priced steam copies though? They make more money from steam sales than gamepass subs

Not so sure about that. Game pass has around 30 million subscribers.

[tfa]

Автор сообщения: Witski

Автор сообщения: Azerty

The troll would be more effective if we didn't have Steam statistics

Steam statistic are optional school level surveys that's not world wide and 8 people of 10 doesn't get the option to do to begin with and from the remaining two only one is doing it.
So it's not an attendible statistic at all.

According to survey monkey you would need 16.6k repsondents for a 99% confidence level with a 1% margin of error to get accurate stats for 132 million.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/

According to this article there were 37.8 million gpu's shipped in 2022. 30.3 million of them were Nvidia.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-maintains-lead-as-sales-of-graphics-cards-hit-all-time-low-in-2022-jpr#:~:text=For%20the%20whole%20year%202022,discrete%20graphics%20desktop%20graphics%20boards.

[Daedrius]

Sorry, if I can't get that extra 60 FPS, I'm just not happy :P

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3024704317
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3024710738

[Witski]

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Автор сообщения: Witski

Steam statistic are optional school level surveys that's not world wide and 8 people of 10 doesn't get the option to do to begin with and from the remaining two only one is doing it.
So it's not an attendible statistic at all.

I've had a steam survey every time as far as I remember and it auto icklectd your hardware data doesn't it? And if you look at the details it's hardly soke cringe school leaver thing you said. It has details on all hardware einc resolution people use. Whay more do you want? It shows exactly what you need.

You, i got the prompt two times in 15 years my friends and other discord groups never or only one time and it's not that hard to get that kind of data since it's saved on your computer and steam just take a read.

[🥇 Xaxoon 🥇]

Then perhaps it's time for Microsoft to sit down with AMD and NVIDIA and come up with a deal that's beneficial for the PLAYERS, not just for themselves. And not to sabotage each other like little children at the expense of the players.

[Gisborne]

Can AMD even be called BETTER price per dollar anymore when their cards are not that MUCH cheaper but Nvidia DLSS 3 Literally DOUBLES your FPS making you get vastly better literally double in fps per dollar.

[dannyj147]

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Can AMD even be called BETTER price per dollar anymore when their cards are not that MUCH cheaper but Nvidia DLSS 3 Literally DOUBLES your FPS making you get vastly better literally double in fps per dollar.

Oh check Geforce now, Xbox games released on it today. Hope for Starfield too I guess.

[YuGames]

Автор сообщения: Gisborne

Автор сообщения: dannyj147

Don't forget Microsoft game pass could be considered a direct rival to Geforce Now.

Why would Microsoft not want to sell full priced steam copies though? They make more money from steam sales than gamepass subs

Because companies that have the ridiculous amount of money that Microsoft does do not think in those terms but rather the long term destruction of their rivals.

I know that, for people like you and me, just your average working folks, the concept of losing literal millions to win more 10 years from now is out of what would normally consider or even have come to mind.

But they do that on the daily, so it is not that strange to sacrifice sales now to dominate the market later.

[ΜΣ†ΛĿ]

It's cool that Developers are adding FSR for gamers with older GPUs that can improve performance. In my experience Bethesda games have always been CPU limited let's hope they upgraded the engine enough to take advantage of modern CPUs because even the best GPU is not going to improve FPS if there is a CPU bottleneck.
However I much prefer DLSS simply because it is way better quality especially in motion compared to FSR. I only have a last gen GPU rtx 3090 and play on 1440p monitor. I mostly use DLSS to improve the image quality. What I do is use DSR and set the in game resolution to 4K then enable DLSS on quality which is 1440p render the end result is a supersampled image, and more fine detail at the cost of a few more FPS than native render. The biggest benefit is it that it almost removes the TAA blur when in motion. Below are some screenshot comparisons between native resolution/FSR ultra quality/DLSS quality at 1440p & 4K DSR. Pay attention to the foliage details to see the biggest difference between Native, DLSS & FSR. Also at least in DL2 it looks like DLSS looks better than native resolution. FSR almost looks like native aswell but does start to shimmer artifact and blur a bit when in motion and DLSS does not, but on a still image FSR almost looks like native at the ultra quality setting, it does start to blur more when moving down to quality & below preset. Also I'm getting between 5 & 10 FPS more with DLSS. Hopefully they will also have DLSS in the game because it's simply the better option if you have the hardware for it.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025264561
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025264724
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025264185
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025263460
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025262236
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025262494

[Sora]

nice welcomed thread, i agree honestly i dont really mind what it has.