Dont be fooled by YouTube "Guides"

[Stray952]

I keep seeing these guides where people mostly do the mint/oil method to train their monster without resting - which is fine, I know you can do that, not sure about the not shortening life part, but I know it is a thing.

In detail, they showed that their zuum peaked at 16/17 power from the pull drill - that also tracked for me. When it dropped to 15 they fed it a golden peach to keep things lively.

Suddenly they flip ahead to S battles and their stats are revealed for the first time in adulthood and they're ALL 500-700+. Including intelligence, which is how they immediately found the phoenix feather on the very first expedition.

I did the math, even doing a regime of Pull/Domino/Swim/Shoot without rest would take you 27 months of prime-of-life results to get from 150-700 power, before considering that doing heavy speed/defense drills would reduce their power/intelligence by 2-4 points every time. if you're dropping 2-3 points on every heavy drill and getting 16 in the stat, with a regime of HT/LT/HT/LT without rest, it'd take 62 weeks of heavy training for EVERY STAT to get them to 700. That's over 360 weeks of prime results. Zuum lifespan is 450 weeks... 15% of which is prime.

These people showing all 999 stat monsters or even like this one, all 500-700 on a market Zuum on their first go are clearly cheating or deceiving the viewer in some other way.

Which is actually the point I'm curious about... Why do people do this? Whether it's some fitness influencer clearly on PEDs or an Apex streamer using macros, what is up with A.) this culture of cheating and B.) if you're going to cheat, why try to act like you know the path to success? Psychologically this is so interesting to me.

I understand the impulse to cheat. Especially the more saturated the cheating is in your social environment. I've considered using PEDs. What I don't understand is the weird psychological dissonance that happens and makes cheaters think its not the cheat they're using, but their overall technique that really provides results - so much so that they should show other people the path to success.... thats like, crazy.

[Gnasty Gnorc]

Gonna need you to provide some context on who's doing this because I've literally never seen anyone cheat for their video like that.

It's very, very easy with proper use of training drugs to raise all skills very high on a first gen monster.

This seems more of you lacking knowledge of the game and not the content creator deceiving the viewer.

I also saw your post about not combining monsters correctly, and blaming the game for your lack of knowledge.

You can't just throw 2 monsters with high stats together and expect something good. That's not at all how it works.

Maybe take the time to educate yourself on the game mechanics, and read up on Legend Cup, which you spoke negatively about, and THEN people will take your opinion seriously.

[monsterfenrick]

Dont be fooled by YouTube "Guides"

“I can’t figure it out am I’m too lazy to actually try it myself… they must be cheating!” — “actual data demystifies the game”

Is there a specific video or guide that is false? I'd be curious to know. You've blanketed every guide out there as not knowing what they're doing. maybe some actually are inaccurate. Though what you're accusing as being cheating is certainly possible. Based on this post and your other remarks, i'd wager your accusations as simple inexperience.

It’s OK to be ignorant. As you say, the game doesn’t really explain its own details to the player… but complaining and accusing people of cheating when they’re showing you literally how to do a thing, that’s on you if you still can’t figure it out. Maybe the guide you looked at used Drugs that you didn't notice or factor into your napkin math.

Just on the off-chance you didn't realize, there are differences between 1999 MR2 and MR2DX. Some of the original game methods don't perfectly equate to DX.

Be sure you know which version of a guide you're reading/watching. You can tell in videos if it's original or DX by looking at the Font. DXs is different and smoother.

[Stray952]

Man you guys are toxic and gate keep-y as ♥♥♥♥ for a children's game from the early 2000's jesus

What details do you need other than to say that with a Zuums stat gain/development pattern/life span, you cannot get 500-700 in every stat using a market Zuum and with no money - see above basic math.

So yeah, its weird that people make videos claiming you can - equally weird that anything anyone posts on this discussion board is met by a wave of toxicity. I guess if you're whole identity is based around metagaming/hacking a 20 year old game, it probably would be a bit touchy, but jesus

[Stray952]

Maybe I should retitle the thread "dont be fooled by Steam forum trolls"

[Gnasty Gnorc]

Originally posted by Stray952:

Man you guys are toxic and gate keep-y as ♥♥♥♥ for a children's game from the early 2000's jesus

What details do you need other than to say that with a Zuums stat gain/development pattern/life span, you cannot get 500-700 in every stat using a market Zuum and with no money - see above basic math.

So yeah, its weird that people make videos claiming you can - equally weird that anything anyone posts on this discussion board is met by a wave of toxicity. I guess if you're whole identity is based around metagaming/hacking a 20 year old game, it probably would be a bit touchy, but jesus

Nobody was toxic to you. At all. You simply got called out for literally ♥♥♥♥ talking the game and content creators for it simply because you simply refuse to acknowledge 20 years of information on this game.

I’m sorry you’re very sensitive and think that being held accountable for your actions makes people toxic.

[monsterfenrick]

Some YouTube guides are bad. That's why I was asking which ones specifically if you can point to it. I'm legitimately curious to know if it's some random person in the world or someone known in the circle of the MR community.

Teawch has some legitimate and vetted guides on step by step processes, most are for the original NTSC version of the game but there are also some for DX:

Teawch demonstrates Beating the original game (1999) with a market Zuum, but it doesn't have max stats; It has 523/707/452/603/664/175 (3,124 composite) for LIF/POW/INT/SKI/SPD/DEF
https://youtu.be/ogJvsXA6UpI

Teawch shows how to get an all 999 Phoenix with all Techs in the original game (1999).
https://youtu.be/Iy4MV3IYtEo

Teawch demonstrates beating MR2DX (2021) with a Shrined Mocchi, but this also does not have maxed stats; It has 551/312/841/831/683/132 (3,350 composite) for LIF/POW/INT/SKI/SPD/DEF.
https://youtu.be/gm0V_C4DfQ0

There's several guides on maxing out your monsters by Teawch, that involve raising multiple monsters to achieve the end goal. (See more on his channel). Are there some parts that skip ahead? sure, the videos are condensed down to a watchable format that notate when to switch gears.

Want to see someone beat the game with the 98 week lifespan hare? Yes it can be done.
MooseBones demonstrates it here: https://youtu.be/Om5PegEz1so

Of course there are other content creators. I'm sure there's folks with some bad information on their videos. I've personally seem loads of videos with verbal typos, or some that had misinformation and bad advice, but there are good ones out there. I am merely curious where you are getting bad information from that is leading you to come in and blanket statement every content creator.

Monster Rancher is a very small community overall. Steam's MR community is the size of a period on a full page by comparison to the independently run MR community on Discord. Without knowledgeable players poking their heads in from time to time, the Steam forums would be plagued with 90's style bad forum posts of school yard rumor. If you want support and more real-time communication that may be less-likely to be misinterpreted, the Discord is the place to be. If you have a beef with something, folks there are more than likely going to be able to help you filter the good sites/videos from the bad ones.

I don't think I'm gate-keeping anything, quite the opposite. You're saying without specificity that something can't be done. Your continued replies still don't offer where the disconnect is coming from. I'm using this as an opportunity to respond with specifics of what can be done which also shows how to do it. The community needs more good players, so often if someone is confused, people in the know are eager to help get them on track and up to speed.

Maybe your first monster from the market on a fresh game isn't going to be maxed, but it can still be incredibly strong. The few experienced players that are on the Steam Forums that know what can be done are simply trying to help reaffirm that great things can be accomplished in the game if you care to learn it.

Good luck on your future monsters!

[polocatfan]

Originally posted by Stray952:

Man you guys are toxic and gate keep-y as ♥♥♥♥ for a children's game from the early 2000's jesus

What details do you need other than to say that with a Zuums stat gain/development pattern/life span, you cannot get 500-700 in every stat using a market Zuum and with no money - see above basic math.

So yeah, its weird that people make videos claiming you can - equally weird that anything anyone posts on this discussion board is met by a wave of toxicity. I guess if you're whole identity is based around metagaming/hacking a 20 year old game, it probably would be a bit touchy, but jesus

I mean... accusing people of lying without proof is more toxic than calling someone out for doing that.

[FFS_Fenix]

Been watching MR videos of late and apparently this version takes the japanese version and not the US version so monsters get 100 less weeks across the board, in the original US release of MR2 Us got an extra 100 weeks to make it easier. Which those guides would have an increased "Prime" window compared to this version.