Steam OS for the desktop PC

[erniem1970]

I started a questionnaire online, and I sent it to 100,000 gamers of the PC. 99.2 percent said they want Steam OS for the desktop PC without having to use Windows. We hate Windows 11 and do not want AI. So we want the option to use Steam OS and be protected from AI. I hope you are going to allow us to install Steam OS as a standalone game desktop OS that makes use of our AMD or nVidia graphics card, motherboard, system RAM, keyboard, mouse and game controller without having to use Windows or Linux OS. I already use Linux, but it does not support all games. Steam OS does, so we want that support without having to be forced into Windows 11 and AI.

[DoKo_O]

would love to see that questionaire lol :D

would love to see steam os getting a pc release, with how they open it up to other handheld companys this year, maybe that will be the next step after

[WarnerCK]

Originally posted by erniem1970:

I already use Linux, but it does not support all games. Steam OS does

No, it doesn't. SteamOS has exactly the same game compatibility as any other Linux distro. Strictly, it has less game compatibility, since other distros carry games in their own repositories, and installing things from the distro's repository is a feature that SteamOS lacks.

For your point, Valve aren't super interested in maintaining a distro for desktop hardware. What they are interested in is making SteamOS available to other handheld hardware makers that use AMD. They're also only interested in using Mesa, which means no Nvidia till Mesa has performant support for Nvidia hardware - that's going to take a few years.

Use any other distro you like and it will have good Nvidia and AMD support already.

[IceFoxX]

Originally posted by WarnerCK:

Originally posted by erniem1970:

I already use Linux, but it does not support all games. Steam OS does

No, it doesn't. SteamOS has exactly the same game compatibility as any other Linux distro. Strictly, it has less game compatibility, since other distros carry games in their own repositories, and installing things from the distro's repository is a feature that SteamOS lacks.

For your point, Valve aren't super interested in maintaining a distro for desktop hardware. What they are interested in is making SteamOS available to other handheld hardware makers that use AMD. They're also only interested in using Mesa, which means no Nvidia till Mesa has performant support for Nvidia hardware - that's going to take a few years.

Use any other distro you like and it will have good Nvidia and AMD support already.

steamos will have the best compatibility with the steam deck. no wonder valve worked with amd on the hardware and no wonder valve is quite involved in open source.
Valve is not a hypocrite and there is a lot to criticize but valve is pushing linux pretty hard. all the other distributions also benefit from valve's efforts in working with kernel, wine, mesa maintainers etc. Of course, the other distributions also take advantage of this and then add further changes themselves, but without valve's efforts they would not be where they are now.
steamOS was btw with steam machines for the PC... but then it was later specially adapted to the steam deck.
For valve it's still a big playground to let off steam and nobody can say what valve has planned for steamOS in the future.

[erniem1970]

Originally posted by DoKo_O:

would love to see that questionaire lol :D

would love to see steam os getting a pc release, with how they open it up to other handheld companys this year, maybe that will be the next step after

It should have been the FIRST release is the desktop PC.

[erniem1970]

Originally posted by WarnerCK:

Originally posted by erniem1970:

I already use Linux, but it does not support all games. Steam OS does

No, it doesn't. SteamOS has exactly the same game compatibility as any other Linux distro. Strictly, it has less game compatibility, since other distros carry games in their own repositories, and installing things from the distro's repository is a feature that SteamOS lacks.

For your point, Valve aren't super interested in maintaining a distro for desktop hardware. What they are interested in is making SteamOS available to other handheld hardware makers that use AMD. They're also only interested in using Mesa, which means no Nvidia till Mesa has performant support for Nvidia hardware - that's going to take a few years.

Use any other distro you like and it will have good Nvidia and AMD support already.

"For your point, Valve aren't super interested in maintaining a distro for desktop hardware." BULLSH*T. Steam started on the PC for Windows. So why wouldn't they? People do not want to buy a handheld with a small screen. You need a mouse and a keyboard and a large screen to be a real gamer. No one I know who plays games has an overpriced Steam Deck, or even a console, much less a handheld. It is not hard at all to make Steam OS act just like an OS without Windows. It is not hard at all. Steam OS supports all the games I want. Many people do NOT trust AI, so it would be very beneficial for Valve/Steam to make Steam OS work with every game just like in Windows, WITHOUT having to ever upgrade to Windows 11, which a majority of us will not, nor will ever do that. You can do what you want.

[IceFoxX]

The handheld is also a PC with Zen2 architecture. Apart from that, it offers enough power and there are more than enough gamers who are more than satisfied with it.
Writing something about “true gamers” only shows that you are a little old. Btw, you shouldn't look to Asia either, because mobile games are extremely popular there.
Apart from that, Valve also offers a desktop mode with SteamOS on the Steam Deck based on Arch Linux with KDE.

[Zef]

Originally posted by WarnerCK:

Originally posted by erniem1970:

I already use Linux, but it does not support all games. Steam OS does

No, it doesn't. SteamOS has exactly the same game compatibility as any other Linux distro. Strictly, it has less game compatibility, since other distros carry games in their own repositories, and installing things from the distro's repository is a feature that SteamOS lacks.

For your point, Valve aren't super interested in maintaining a distro for desktop hardware. What they are interested in is making SteamOS available to other handheld hardware makers that use AMD. They're also only interested in using Mesa, which means no Nvidia till Mesa has performant support for Nvidia hardware - that's going to take a few years.

Use any other distro you like and it will have good Nvidia and AMD support already.

That's a lie.

I know at least 10 titles that i couldn't get to work on linux mint with the same proton version.

On steamOS/Bazzite they worked out of the box though.

Yes i know you can configure linux mint to do the same thing but steam os is just way more optimized for gaming and has all the necesssary optionals already baked in.

[Pepe]

Originally posted by erniem1970:

I started a questionnaire online

Where's the link to that marvelous online questionnaire? This topic was debated before, but it was too much work to find the exact same topics, wasn't it...

Originally posted by erniem1970:

Originally posted by DoKo_O:

would love to see that questionaire lol :D

would love to see steam os getting a pc release, with how they open it up to other handheld companys this year, maybe that will be the next step after

It should have been the FIRST release is the desktop PC.

It was the first release. SteamOS was initially designed for PCs a.k.a. Steam Machines. It just didn't work from a business perspective. Plus, maybe you haven't looked up yet how many issues there are with just two hardware devices. Valve would have to hire at least triple the amount of people just to fix the current issues, based on their performance of the last couple of years.

[Haruspex]

I'm all for seeing a more generalized release of SteamOS, but I think a lot of people misunderstand what it's intent is.

People seem to believe that SteamOS will be the savior that delivers them from the tyranny of Microsoft, while at the same time also seeming to believe the decades-old FUD that Linux is some dense and obtuse thing that requires a CS degree and 1337 hAxX0rZ skills to be able to use. What they fail to realize is that SteamOS is Linux, and development on Linux in general is benefiting SteamOS, while development on SteamOS is benefiting Linux in general. That's how open source works. There's this kind of cooperation.

There's also the actual implementation of SteamOS and the experience it's intended for. While it has a desktop interface hiding behind the shiny console-like veneer, it's not really intended to be used as a general purpose desktop OS. It's really meant for PC handhelds and TV set top box PCs. (IE: "Steam Machines").

If you want a more generalized desktop or laptop OS that's not Windows, you're in luck! Linux is already available! There's countless versions to choose from, and all the work that's gone into SteamOS directly improves Linux, while all the work that goes into Linux directly improves SteamOS. It's really not difficult, and for most users you won't actually need to dive into the scary command line interface at all. Installation is automated and supported by a graphical interface. Installing Steam is as simple as searching for it in the pre-installed package manager and then clicking "install". Some more gaming oriented distros will even have Steam pre-installed.

If you want SteamOS itself for it's intended purpose and you want it now, there's Bazzite or ChimeraOS, which take the work that's already been done with SteamOS and expands it into a more generalized release for any machine you want. It's already very usable and stable. There's not much of a reason to wait for the "official" SteamOS.

[IceFoxX]

“There's also the actual implementation of SteamOS and the experience it's meant for. It does have a desktop interface hidden behind the shiny console-like veneer, but it's not really meant to be used as a general-purpose desktop operating system. It's actually meant for PC handhelds and TV set-top box PCs. (IE: “Steam Machines”).”

But you can definitely disagree with that. Precisely because the Steam Deck is based on Zen2 architecture and is therefore x86_64, it is a fully-fledged PC that runs extremely energy-efficiently. The nice thing is that even if SteamOS itself does not prioritize desktop use, another OS can be installed on it very quickly.
It's a PC with so many more practical uses. You could also take the example of Ukraine and the control of drones, which is done very well via the Steam Deck.
The biggest advantage of the collaboration between Valve and AMD is, above all, the compatibility of the hardware with Linux, so that you don't have any driver problems or anything else.
Then you can see what hackers do with the Steam Deck. Of course, these are not everyday scenarios and are completely uninteresting for most people, but it doesn't change the fact.

Btw the OP is pretty funny. So, because the OP hates Win 11 ( dislikes not even MS itself ) and criticizes AI, he's just going to claim to be one of those insufferable spammer problems. “sent it to 100,000 gamers of the PC.” No matter if it's true or not, but since OP already states this about himself, it would only be justified if his Steam account would be banned.

Criticizes Win11 but behaves at least as bad himself.

[erniem1970]

Originally posted by IceFoxX:

The handheld is also a PC with Zen2 architecture. Apart from that, it offers enough power and there are more than enough gamers who are more than satisfied with it.
Writing something about “true gamers” only shows that you are a little old. Btw, you shouldn't look to Asia either, because mobile games are extremely popular there.
Apart from that, Valve also offers a desktop mode with SteamOS on the Steam Deck based on Arch Linux with KDE.

First of all, my comments have nothing to do with how old I am. That is not only a very ignorant and rude statement, it is totally out of line and out of touch with what I am saying. Mobile devices will never have the power of a desktop and a full size graphics card. You mean to tell me you are going to get 2K or 4K at FULL eye candy, all features enabled liks DLSS without any drop in frames at 60 to 144 Hz, or 60 to 144 FPS? I do not think so. I was bringing up about making Steam OS made as a standalone for the PC. That was it. I did not ask for a bunch of negative and rude comments. Steam forums has become so negative and hostile. I did nothing of the sort. We should allow freedom of questions without hostile and negative push back. I am sure this will not happen with Steam OS, but I just think it would be a great option. I will continue to use Linux, probably Ubuntu or Mint. Steam support did say the only official tech support they had of Linux was Ubuntu, but I know you can install Steam on Linux Mint also. Some people just want the full Windows game support without being forced to upgrade to Windows 11 with AI. We have every right to have our convictions and feelings without being mistreated. I am not doing that to you or anyone else here.

[erniem1970]

Originally posted by DoKo_O:

would love to see that questionaire lol :D

would love to see steam os getting a pc release, with how they open it up to other handheld companys this year, maybe that will be the next step after

The questionnaire was private just for my value and research. I was simply stating a point. That is all. Nothing more.

[erniem1970]

Originally posted by IceFoxX:

“There's also the actual implementation of SteamOS and the experience it's meant for. It does have a desktop interface hidden behind the shiny console-like veneer, but it's not really meant to be used as a general-purpose desktop operating system. It's actually meant for PC handhelds and TV set-top box PCs. (IE: “Steam Machines”).”

But you can definitely disagree with that. Precisely because the Steam Deck is based on Zen2 architecture and is therefore x86_64, it is a fully-fledged PC that runs extremely energy-efficiently. The nice thing is that even if SteamOS itself does not prioritize desktop use, another OS can be installed on it very quickly.
It's a PC with so many more practical uses. You could also take the example of Ukraine and the control of drones, which is done very well via the Steam Deck.
The biggest advantage of the collaboration between Valve and AMD is, above all, the compatibility of the hardware with Linux, so that you don't have any driver problems or anything else.
Then you can see what hackers do with the Steam Deck. Of course, these are not everyday scenarios and are completely uninteresting for most people, but it doesn't change the fact.

Btw the OP is pretty funny. So, because the OP hates Win 11 ( dislikes not even MS itself ) and criticizes AI, he's just going to claim to be one of those insufferable spammer problems. “sent it to 100,000 gamers of the PC.” No matter if it's true or not, but since OP already states this about himself, it would only be justified if his Steam account would be banned.

Criticizes Win11 but behaves at least as bad himself.

First of all people have a right to their opinion. I also have studied the risks and dangers of duality technology for many years. I do not trust artificial intelligence, and we should not be introducing technology like this into the wild. We should be given a choice to use a computer without technology that has no guarantee in privacy, and poses real dangers of misusing our data and information. Even institutions like Oxford have warned about this. There is plenty of proof to show why the majority of us are concerned about AI. It is not right to talk nasty to someone in that regard and make the comments you have., I did nothing wrong. I will NOT be upgrading to Windows 11, and there is a majority in the world that feel the same way. This is not new either. My post was simply stating it would be nice to have Steam OS as a standalone version, even if it uses the Linux kernel. That was it. We do not need this hostile going off into left field rudeness. Steam forums need to stay respectful and not be so hostile.

[IceFoxX]

I have said nothing against the criticism of Windows or AI.
However, criticism of Microsoft would be more justified instead of just a single Win OS version.

Of course, criticism of AI is also justified, but you should bear in mind that any comment is hypocrisy if you are using any version of Windows. Because Windows itself is listed as a threat to national security in its country of origin and this applies not only to Windows 11 but to Microsoft as a company.

Then you can't trust the hardware itself and the firmware either... so data leakage is there either way and not just with win 11 + AI lol.

Nevertheless, criticism against it is justified and I have said nothing against it.

I criticized your self-stated behavior of having harassed over +100,000 people with spam. you criticize the lack of data protection etc. in windows but annoy over 100,000 with a questionnaire where you literally ♥♥♥♥ on this data protection for respondents. that's so hypocritical.

about the steam deck... so a PC needs a high end gpu? I haven't heard such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a long time.... maybe you should find out what PCs are used for outside of gaming.
But so be it... then there would still be the options of running an external gpu on the steam deck or simply using streaming.... no idea what the offers are like there...

4k at low refresh rate or lower resolution but faster refresh rate is not out of the question...

[DoKo_O]

Originally posted by erniem1970:

Originally posted by DoKo_O:

would love to see that questionaire lol :D

would love to see steam os getting a pc release, with how they open it up to other handheld companys this year, maybe that will be the next step after

The questionnaire was private just for my value and research. I was simply stating a point. That is all. Nothing more.

a private 100.000 people questionare, got it =)