Steam Deck

Steam Deck

[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 4 日 上午 5:26
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Did the Lenovo Legion go just kill the steam deck?
Yeah, this thing is a beast. 97% DCI-P3 color gamut, 144hz and a whopping QHD + resolution... :O Detachable sides, a huge screen and more importantly: Magnetic Hall sticks.

It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

Thank you Valve for opening the desktop handheld market, and thank you Lenovo for developing a far better product.
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Drak3 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 2:26 
引用自 ?legit
Keep in mind that when the steam deck came out, it had literally zero competition on the PC handheld market.
AYN, AYA, GPD, OneXPlayer. All existed at or before the time of the Steam Deck.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 2:33 
引用自 Drak3
引用自 ?legit
Keep in mind that when the steam deck came out, it had literally zero competition on the PC handheld market.
AYN, AYA, GPD, OneXPlayer. All existed at or before the time of the Steam Deck.

https://www.gpd.hk/gpdwin3

GPD was a market leader before Valve stepped in.

They have interesting designs.

https://www.gpd.hk/gpdwinmax2
WarnerCK 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 3:40 
引用自 deaddoof
引用自 WarnerCK
Linux has nothing to do with it: Linux handles SDR just fine. The display in the Deck just isn't that great - almost certainly to hit the price point when they didn't know how popular the device would be.

HDR is a work-in-progress, though, it's true, although the Deck (obviously) doesn't have an HDR display.

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/14

I am not talking about outputting 8 bits vs 10 bits.

I am talking about ICC standards. Yes, the protocol is needed for accuracy. The best valve can do is calibrate out of the factory.

https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2020/11/19/developing-wayland-color-management-and-high-dynamic-range/
X11 has had support for colour profiles (which isn't at all the issue) for decades. The Deck doesn't use Wayland.

The display simply isn't great.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 3:51 
引用自 WarnerCK
X11 has had support for colour profiles (which isn't at all the issue) for decades. The Deck doesn't use Wayland.

The display simply isn't great.

I know the display isn't great, but the glamut is just plain bad. The screen screams not calibrated.

Gamescope is wayland. Gamescope uses wlroots, a wayland compositor. I am not sure about the Gamemode UI. I never bother checking whether its wayland too.
WarnerCK 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 4:54 
引用自 deaddoof
I know the display isn't great, but the glamut is just plain bad. The screen screams not calibrated.

It's as calibrated as it's going to get; it really just isn't a good display. It's fine for what it is, but it's not great.

Gamescope is wayland. Gamescope uses wlroots, a wayland compositor. I am not sure about the Gamemode UI. I never bother checking whether its wayland too.

Gamescope is an XWayland compositor: it runs X11 applications on Wayland, but can't run Wayland applications. The desktop session is pure X11.

Both of those will be Wayland at some point in the future, but they aren't yet.
mrive33 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 5:03 
my deck just broked. the warranty was void and valve agreed to fix it anyway. not only that boys they actually did more than i ask for. one joystick was faulty but they changed both. good luck with lenovo region's customer service for those doubting the deck.
[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 5:04 
引用自 Drak3
引用自 ?legit
Keep in mind that when the steam deck came out, it had literally zero competition on the PC handheld market.
AYN, AYA, GPD, OneXPlayer. All existed at or before the time of the Steam Deck.
Not feasible for a broad audience due to their extremely high price compared to the deck. They're not by big players like lenovo or valve, hence why they can't compete with the cheap pricing.

Why was the steam deck so successful in first place? Because people believe it's so cheap and has the best performance per dollar ratio ever. Double or triple the deck's pricing and not a single gamer would have bought that thing.
[?]legit 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 5:09 
引用自 WarnerCK
引用自 deaddoof
I know the display isn't great, but the glamut is just plain bad. The screen screams not calibrated.

It's as calibrated as it's going to get; it really just isn't a good display. It's fine for what it is, but it's not great.
Then where is the display calibration file located? Afaik the deck doesn't even have an ICC profile loaded.
Drak3 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 5:33 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Drak3
AYN, AYA, GPD, OneXPlayer. All existed at or before the time of the Steam Deck.
Not feasible for a broad audience due to their extremely high price compared to the deck.
According to...you. Not exactly a credible source.

However, those 4 companies do have as much appeal as the Deck, for multiple reasons:
1) Broader general availability
2A) More powerful hardware paired with significantly larger batteries to offset the increased power draw (ASUS completely fails in that regard and Lenovo's paltry 10Whr bump isn't going to compensate for the higher wattage floor than the Deck)
2B) Similarly powerful hardware that can be dialed closer to the Deck's draw with bigger batteries, meaning potentially longer battery life
3) Better IO on their "newer" offerings than the Deck, Ally, and Lenovo Leg (to be clear, newer being current devices and their immediate predecessors)
4) Internationally, the price disparity between "established" manufacturers like ASUS/Lenovo and the companies they're knocking off is not that large.
5) ASUS and Lenovo don't have any reputation in the handheld space, and both have less than stellar reputations in the eyes of techies.

This is ignoring that shortly after the Deck's ANNOUNCEMENT, these companies started coming out with handhelds in the $700-800 range in addition to the $1000+ flagships.
最后由 Drak3 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 5:35
Boblin the Goblin 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 5:55 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 Drak3
AYN, AYA, GPD, OneXPlayer. All existed at or before the time of the Steam Deck.
Not feasible for a broad audience due to their extremely high price compared to the deck. They're not by big players like lenovo or valve, hence why they can't compete with the cheap pricing.

Why was the steam deck so successful in first place? Because people believe it's so cheap and has the best performance per dollar ratio ever. Double or triple the deck's pricing and not a single gamer would have bought that thing.


What a weird goalpost shift.
ShadowShifterMarlith 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 6:10 
引用自 ?legit
Yeah, this thing is a beast. 97% DCI-P3 color gamut, 144hz and a whopping QHD + resolution... :O Detachable sides, a huge screen and more importantly: Magnetic Hall sticks.

It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

Thank you Valve for opening the desktop handheld market, and thank you Lenovo for developing a far better product.



Valve isn't remotely even anywhere near wanting to Support you as a Customer...
--- You want good products, go somewhere else...

Steam Today is all about Company 1st, & you don't matter...

The only reason People still buy from Steam at all,
is because their afraid of losing their libraries of Games...

Now a Company your stuck with & you spend all your money on,
is about to be wiped out by another Company on the Market,
but your loyalty to Steam over money, is going to keep you
from buying the better product, & ditch Steam Deck for it...

Anotherwards, your actually being left behind, the longer you stay,
on Steam, & support Steam? The more you are being left behind, oO


The only thing Steam has going for it is a Number,
a number of how many Games it has...

But majority of those Games are utter crap,
& the Steam Deck is already an Obsolete Product,
& other Companies are already doing a way better
Job with their Customers then Valve is...

It is only a matter of time, before Loyalty is all it really is,
& Loyalty will run out, & ware off...

But you also have to remember, Windows 11 / 12 is
also a problem that is still around, & Microsoft is in
just as much trouble as Valve is...

There are lots of People who don't want to move along
with Windows 11 / 12, & many are ditching Windows
for Linux, not Steam OS...
最后由 ShadowShifterMarlith 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 6:15
@R+5 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 6:35 
引用自 ?legit
It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

"Restrictive", "bottleneck", relative to what?

windows 10 and 11 have multiple downsides thanks to how microsoft likes to force updates and "features" to try to justify tracking a data harvesting, which usually do consume ram and data that should otherwise be free for user software.

that has been proven when comparing performance of modified "ameliorated" versions of windows 10 and 11 vs standard versions, which arent the best option if for working online, since those can be more vulnerable than standard windows versions; linux oss are almost virus free, and usually more stable.

imo the downsides and annoyances of using a linux based OS are mild and minor compared to those of windows, even for gaming, unless the game you want to play most time is currently not compatible.

bad updates can happen in every system, but unlike with windows, linux is more efficient with memory use, and for portable systems thats a big difference thanks to hardware limitations. so you do have "bottlenecks" in windows, and linux, and any other os relative to how they work, and how they sell you.

and since steam os is a fork created to optimise memory use and improve performance as much as possible of the "console", is safe to assume the lifespan of the steam deck and quality is still better than whatever is offered as a "more recent portable pc upgrade". also, unlike nintendo, valve isnt trying to force you to play only "approved roms", so from that side the deck imo is still a better option.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 6:44 
引用自 ?legit
引用自 WarnerCK


It's as calibrated as it's going to get; it really just isn't a good display. It's fine for what it is, but it's not great.
Then where is the display calibration file located? Afaik the deck doesn't even have an ICC profile loaded.

What file are you talking about OP?

Warner CK wasn't talking about a file.
deaddoof 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 6:50 
引用自 @R+5
引用自 ?legit
It's also worth to note that it isn't locked down behind a restrictive OS (such as bottleneckOS a.k.a. steamOS).

"Restrictive", "bottleneck", relative to what?

windows 10 and 11 have multiple downsides thanks to how microsoft likes to force updates and "features" to try to justify tracking a data harvesting, which usually do consume ram and data that should otherwise be free for user software.

Yep. OP likes to combine emotionally charged words together which doesn't make any sense. When it comes down to it, we do not know what the OP is talking about. The OP is DDOS steam general discussion front page. There are like 12 entries for the front page. This thread is designed to be as inflammatory as possible to remove one of those spots.
@R+5 2023 年 11 月 5 日 下午 6:50 
Valve isn't remotely even anywhere near wanting to Support you as a Customer...
--- You want good products, go somewhere else...

Steam Today is all about Company 1st, & you don't matter...

maybe you assume valve works like any other company, but that isnt the case.

while is true most companies are "company first", that means different things to different companies. also, not every company shares the same definition of what or who is "the customer".

the argument about the deck related to steam library is wrong and even absurd, because the steam client can run in all oss, with the own limitations. if your portable pc, deck or not, is able to install steam client and run games, to valve that has more value than the deck itself, because thats their main service: sell games.

to valve, their intentions about selling hardware isnt about increasing sales of games, because the deck isnt "locked", is in part more about trying to change the patterns in game development and the market, to decrease the influence and control microsoft has over everything, including them.

thats also the reason they want to make more attractive the use of steam os, to avoid costs in licences controlled by microsoft. and that, in the end, does translate into caring more about improving support for users, even if their main clients are game developers rather than steam users and people who buys software through their store.

hardware made by valve is usually very good; their actual weak spot is still software: both the steam client and steam os need to improve a lot more, and offer more option to users than trying to "pander" to developers with stuff like the forced "whats new" section in the home page (which may offer useful news now and then, but most of the time feels annoying and imo, it should exist in a separate space or window).
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