No Draconians?

[Jackalen]

Just saw the gameplay reveal and didnt see if there were any draconian race to play as. Draconians are my favorite race. Im surprised we have toads now but no draconians.

[BlackNyasher]

Developers probably will add draconians as DLC of the lizard race (so you can, depending on the tomes you get, give them wings and call them draconians)

[GrandMajora]

Since we know for a fact that Frostlings are created through a racial transformation spell, I'm holding out hope that some of the other races from previous games got a similar treatment.

After all, the Draconian lore straight up involved the dragons using magic to alter their children before they hatched. So it's not too far fetched to believe that there may be a spell in AoW 4 that can recreate them.

[Shidan]

Personally I don't expect to see Draconians as a playable race, even as a DLC, as they don't lend themselves well to the culture system they're using here. They'd either have huge gameplay differences that don't fit the same way as with other races, or they'd be cut down and barely resemble Draconians at all.

If they show up, I'd guess they'd be as one of those independent race types. Like the Dragons, Giants, Fairies, Archons, etc. Could even stick them in with the dragons as some lower tier units.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Shidan:

Personally I don't expect to see Draconians as a playable race, even as a DLC, as they don't lend themselves well to the culture system they're using here. They'd either have huge gameplay differences that don't fit the same way as with other races, or they'd be cut down and barely resemble Draconians at all.

Draconians might be a possible racial transformation spell in the Fire Tome category. We already saw that Orcs gained blue skin, and had parts of their body turn to ice when they became Frostlings, so creating dragon hybrid models for the other races shouldn't be impossible.

[Arthur two sheds Jackson]

like tigran in 3 I am sure they will be dlc in 4, but weirdly enough they would just be plain lizard because every template for race must be the same no racial unit (no wing)

[Shidan]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Shidan:

Personally I don't expect to see Draconians as a playable race, even as a DLC, as they don't lend themselves well to the culture system they're using here. They'd either have huge gameplay differences that don't fit the same way as with other races, or they'd be cut down and barely resemble Draconians at all.

Draconians might be a possible racial transformation spell in the Fire Tome category. We already saw that Orcs gained blue skin, and had parts of their body turn to ice when they became Frostlings, so creating dragon hybrid models for the other races shouldn't be impossible.

Also quite possible. Though I feel like that would be a less pleasing approach to such a fan favorite race, but they also did it with Frostlings as you mentioned, so it's possible.

[Central]

Originally posted by Shidan:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Draconians might be a possible racial transformation spell in the Fire Tome category. We already saw that Orcs gained blue skin, and had parts of their body turn to ice when they became Frostlings, so creating dragon hybrid models for the other races shouldn't be impossible.

Also quite possible. Though I feel like that would be a less pleasing approach to such a fan favorite race, but they also did it with Frostlings as you mentioned, so it's possible.

i would not like that at all, in the lore the draconians where created from a magical ritual for which the dragons sacrificed their eggs to "unleash the power inside" and create the draconians.
it was even stated that the dragons where their ancestors.
while it has not been outright stated it was basically implied that they where transformed while inside the egg to hatch the first draconians.

it would be very very weird if other races could transform into draconians when there is 0 connection with dragons

[Reality]

I find it funny that except for the Reskar level in AoW 3, you never actually play as draconian in the story modes since AoW 2 and shadow magic only use them as the computer you fight against...

Meanwhile lizards had a full 1/3 of the story game, dark elves get prominent campaign missions in 1&2 besides having some of most important characters in the lore

But draconian popularity keeps going just on their coolness factor even though they are kind of bit players among the removed races.

[Johnny 5]

Hopefully draconians at some point.

[Rhalius]

Might happen, Frogs probably got in because Kermit put some pressure on the dev team.

But in all seriousness, the frogs seem like a fun edition. Could maybe leap onto walls.
They're something completely new.

[GrandMajora]

How can we recreate our Crusch Lulu's without playable lizards!?

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

Sure there are, if you want there to be. You can make your own guys now.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by President Jyrgunkarrd:

Sure there are, if you want there to be. You can make your own guys now.

We don't know if we can give our people Draconian forms, or evolve into them with magic. Neither one has been showcased or referenced by the developers as of the time of writing this.

[President Jyrgunkarrd]

The demo didn't feature Draconian-specific or even lizard-like forms, no.

But if the game features Workshop support it should just be a matter of time before those things are added. As well as every conceivable pop culture insert.

Plus it looks like the system as set-up allows for Triumph to pretty easily plug-in new forms as either FLC or DLC or both.

[Shidan]

Originally posted by President Jyrgunkarrd:

The demo didn't feature Draconian-specific or even lizard-like forms, no.

But if the game features Workshop support it should just be a matter of time before those things are added. As well as every conceivable pop culture insert.

Plus it looks like the system as set-up allows for Triumph to pretty easily plug-in new forms as either FLC or DLC or both.

I think you underestimate the difficulty with which such things could be added. Every body type added will have to be build to be compatible with every single variation of culture, transformation, and whatever the army customization tab entails. Not to mention making outfits available for leader customization.

Possible to be done? Probably. Will very many ever actually be done? Very unlikely. That is a ton of modelling and testing to make sure it all works. It's an undertaking that likely only a team of modders or very dedicated and experienced individuals will ever manage.

And I don't anticipate the devs adding too many via expansions or DLC later on. Because again, every race/culture the devs add will further increase the amount of assets needed for all existing races/cultures.