Epoxy Soft Lock

[Mr. Jacobs]

So we can't get through the Underdust because we need Epoxy. We have ransacked 8 Greenhouse Towers looking for more in chests, as that is what all of the other advice has been. We had found some epoxy earlier but had not realized it would completely dry up. So we have an upgrader but not a virus sampler. It seems very stupid to lock the Plant Resin schematic behind the weird plant in the underdust when Epoxy is required to continue. I was enjoying my time with the game but this is terrible design. Please help.

[PsyChuan]

If you're looking for Epoxy, you can make it using plant resin in the towers, but it's also in the first underdust section. Look for cubes that are white on the top and bottom, and with a blue and orange stripe around them. That's epoxy. Should be plenty around the elevator on your first trip below the dust.

[Mr. Jacobs]

Right. So, we can't make it using plant resin, because that is locked behind the hypothermia plant which requires the virus analyzer which requires epoxy, which we don't have. We have already been below the dust and we do not have enough epoxy. This is the issue. If there were a way to make resin, we would be fine as w have heaps of plants and oil. But the blueprint unlock for resin is behind a wall that requires epoxy (resin) to get.

[Tommytools]

Originally posted by Mr. Jacobs:

Right. So, we can't make it using plant resin, because that is locked behind the hypothermia plant which requires the virus analyzer which requires epoxy, which we don't have. We have already been below the dust and we do not have enough epoxy. This is the issue. If there were a way to make resin, we would be fine as w have heaps of plants and oil. But the blueprint unlock for resin is behind a wall that requires epoxy (resin) to get.

You can go visit another elevator tower for more epoxy, or if you get lucky you might find some in a supply pod crash site (got 9 epoxy from one of those). You don't have to complete any of the towers in one sitting (as the main mission tries to teach you), you can come back to them later, or find a new one to explore.

[Coops]

There is epoxy in the underdust without needing hypothermia. Its just sitting out near barrels. There's at least six you can pick up before you get past the plants.
If that's not enough, go to another underdust. Or get to the tunnels without using hypothermia. It is possible to do.

[PsyChuan]

Originally posted by Mr. Jacobs:

Right. So, we can't make it using plant resin, because that is locked behind the hypothermia plant which requires the virus analyzer which requires epoxy, which we don't have. We have already been below the dust and we do not have enough epoxy. This is the issue. If there were a way to make resin, we would be fine as w have heaps of plants and oil. But the blueprint unlock for resin is behind a wall that requires epoxy (resin) to get.

Epoxy, as an item, is sitting loose in the underdust. I told you what it looks like. You don't need resin.

[Mr. Jacobs]

Originally posted by Coops:

There is epoxy in the underdust without needing hypothermia. Its just sitting out near barrels. There's at least six you can pick up before you get past the plants.
If that's not enough, go to another underdust. Or get to the tunnels without using hypothermia. It is possible to do.

This is useful. Had no idea there were other elevators to the underdust. It seemed like a single location kind of thing.

[Prolbo]

You can pick few free units of epoxy in the underdust as was mentioned before. And repeat it at the next tower.

Also, you can completely bypass cold flowers by jumping along the wall from balcony (one where ladder with lock located) and then using another ladder to descend into tunnels where you can get plant resin.

While I personally find this scarcity design distasteful, I highly appreciate level design which allows players to completely bypass some requirements.

[Tommytools]

Originally posted by Mr. Jacobs:

Originally posted by Coops:

There is epoxy in the underdust without needing hypothermia. Its just sitting out near barrels. There's at least six you can pick up before you get past the plants.
If that's not enough, go to another underdust. Or get to the tunnels without using hypothermia. It is possible to do.

This is useful. Had no idea there were other elevators to the underdust. It seemed like a single location kind of thing.

Fortunately, no... They don't spawn as often as most points of interest, but explore enough and you'll find another. The story related bits don't rely on one single tower, just a type of tower and the story continues where you left off in the other tower.

The loot in the PoIs has a measure of randomness to it, I've had cases where I had to go to another tower because the resources I need weren't available in sufficient numbers (with my luck I'm usually 1 short). I've also had times where I left a PoI only to get the resources I need from a drop pod that crashes just as I take off.

[Mr. Jacobs]

Originally posted by Prolbo:

You can pick few free units of epoxy in the underdust as was mentioned before. And repeat it at the next tower.

Also, you can completely bypass cold flowers by jumping along the wall from balcony (one where ladder with lock located) and then using another ladder to descend into tunnels where you can get plant resin.

While I personally find this scarcity design distasteful, I highly appreciate level design which allows players to completely bypass some requirements.

The walkthrough of the bypass method I found online included using the Crossbow, which as of the new update is ALSO behind the flower. Lol.

[jeroenkw]

I got a few 5pack epoxy from supply crates that fell from the sky into a building. Lots of ways to get epoxy. Visit another tower gets you 5-6 before mr flower. (usually)

[2ugly]

Originally posted by Tommytools:

Originally posted by Mr. Jacobs:

Right. So, we can't make it using plant resin, because that is locked behind the hypothermia plant which requires the virus analyzer which requires epoxy, which we don't have. We have already been below the dust and we do not have enough epoxy. This is the issue. If there were a way to make resin, we would be fine as w have heaps of plants and oil. But the blueprint unlock for resin is behind a wall that requires epoxy (resin) to get.

You can go visit another elevator tower for more epoxy, or if you get lucky you might find some in a supply pod crash site (got 9 epoxy from one of those). You don't have to complete any of the towers in one sitting (as the main mission tries to teach you), you can come back to them later, or find a new one to explore.

Only saw a few pods crashed in the early game. After going to the first underdust location, I think that's when they stopped appearing.

[ChanceGateau]

Following the "missions", the first time you enter the underdust (via the elevator) you will see those dust flowers; which can be used to make epoxy. I believe they aren't past those hypothermic flowers.

Otherwise, you *can* find epoxy elsewhere, as random drops, just not very much of it at a time. I think they are on towers other than garden towers; like ones that have workshops.

[Mr. Jacobs]

Originally posted by 2ugly:

Originally posted by Tommytools:

You can go visit another elevator tower for more epoxy, or if you get lucky you might find some in a supply pod crash site (got 9 epoxy from one of those). You don't have to complete any of the towers in one sitting (as the main mission tries to teach you), you can come back to them later, or find a new one to explore.

Only saw a few pods crashed in the early game. After going to the first underdust location, I think that's when they stopped appearing.

Yep saw zero pods after we went into the underdust.

[Nyota Mwuaji]

Originally posted by Mr. Jacobs:

Right. So, we can't make it using plant resin, because that is locked behind the hypothermia plant which requires the virus analyzer which requires epoxy, which we don't have. We have already been below the dust and we do not have enough epoxy. This is the issue. If there were a way to make resin, we would be fine as w have heaps of plants and oil. But the blueprint unlock for resin is behind a wall that requires epoxy (resin) to get.

You can make resin with the distiller and one of the plant fruits you can gather before the hypo plant

[Philtre]

Originally posted by Nyota Mwuaji:

You can make resin with the distiller and one of the plant fruits you can gather before the hypo plant

The plants seem to be partially randomized, so there's a chance that not enough of the dust daisies above the tunnels will have harvest-able fruit to get you through researching and crafting your first batch of epoxy. And if none of them drop seeds, you pretty much have to go elsewhere to get either more epoxy or more dust daisies. Which is why it's important to make the virus analyzer first rather than any of the other cool things you can make with epoxy.