How to remove the balloon

[stargit]

Hi all.

I have started a new game and I want to remove the balloon so I can build up.
I have built down, but I would like to build up/
I have the ship builder but I can not find away.

Thank you

[MartyS]

Publicado originalmente por The Nameless:

I've just gotta ask... what in the world do you have on it that needs it to be so big? I only recently decided to make mine three rooms wide instead of just one, and really, it's too big now.

3 wide and how long? I have a ended up with a strange sideways H shaped ship with 2 balloons that each have 2 expansions. Main room in the back is 5x2 and it is now completely filled with all the machines, storage, and other stuff you get by the end of what is currently in the game. Only things I have left to accomplish are upgrading the engines and lifters. I ended up making the H shape because I wanted more wall space for lockers without the weight of extra rooms with walls between them. With all the extra lift I have now I could fill in the middle with rooms but you can't add a room if there is stuff attached to the walls, so I would have to move 6 or 7 full wall lockers.

[barneybarns]

I have a two level base and yes you can remove the balloon. However you have to add one somewhere else (at least while you work) to support the weight of your base before removing the original. Its all abut maintaining enough balloon to support the size and weight of the base, even if you land while building. I recommend leaving it and building down though because you will most likely end up with three balloons eventually anyway. Tip for getting started on building down. Raise your ship up and build one block down, then land the block on a platform and with your materials jump down to the platform. Then start building until you have enough space to move around inside comfortably.
I have two levels, top level is set up like a living quarters with my pet. The lower (original) level is set up like a lab with all my equipment. It has my cockpit with extension bridge off the front so I can get into tight places. It even has observation bubbles on all four corners. Its pretty cool!
I had added a second balloon then removed the first so I could move it further to one side. As my base got bigger I realized I needed the first one back in the center to accommodate the growing weight, but now my base was to heavy to remove either of the the side balloons anymore. There wasn't enough room to fit it between them so I ended up making an observation tower up through the two side balloons and adding a center balloon on top of that. I kinda wish I had just left it alone in the first place and just added the side ones on but it worked out ok in the end.
For those wondering how to fill the space keep playing. I thought the same thing when starting out but I keep finding more to work with. Use your scanner to unlock more building machines. Good luck, game still has a way to go, but whats there is fun to find.

[DeLindsay]

Publicado originalmente por Rithrin:

Publicado originalmente por DeLindsay:

The OG Balloon is stuck exactly where it started, it cannot be removed in any way. NEW Balloons can be removed just like any other building item by pressing MMB and highlighting it to press LMB. Just make certain the OG Balloon can support all the weight you've added since.

Hmm, I moved my original balloon. Pretty sure you just need to have a second balloon before it allows you to remove the first.

I stand corrected then. Every time I've tried to do anything with it the whole thing was red. Maybe it was a weight issue for me then.

[william_es]

Publicado originalmente por H:

You can’t remove the whole balloon.

Yes, pretty sure you can, but the ship needs to be parked somewhere. In contact with a tower, with the anchor symbol.

Then you can remove balloons, turbines, engines, etc. It of course, won't go anywhere until you add all that stuff back. I stopped at a glass greenhouse tower, and tore down my whole ship and rebuilt it.

[1]

Publicado originalmente por stargit:

Publicado originalmente por Neethis:

For all those trying to build down, you can build a "ladder room" below a room in your current lowest level, and it will connect to your structure just fine by creating a ladder through the floor :)

Yes we know that.
We are talking about removing the balloon

No you are. And you cannot.

[Wig Bang]

How do you build up though..??

You guys are talking about building down as though it's a secondary approach.

But every mention of anything to do with building up sounds like people are saying it's more or less impossible.

[DeLindsay]

Publicado originalmente por Wig Bang:

How do you build up though..??

You guys are talking about building down as though it's a secondary approach.

But every mention of anything to do with building up sounds like people are saying it's more or less impossible.

The same way you build in any direction. You go out from your Ship with Rooms until you are at least 1 Room beyond the OG Balloon. Then switch to a Ladder Room and go up. Once you get to the desired height add a regular Room to the side of the Ladder Room "tower" and place a new Balloon Core.

One thing of note, FFH changed the way we build some time ago and it's no longer possible to stack Balloons directly on top of each other going up. I verified this with the Devs personally. No idea why they changed it.

[Fargazer]

Publicado originalmente por DeLindsay:

One thing of note, FFH changed the way we build some time ago and it's no longer possible to stack Balloons directly on top of each other going up

Clarification: you can't stack a balloon directly on top of another without a room in between. Next to a balloon, you can build a tower of rooms of sufficient height to branch rooms across the balloon and build a second one directly above the first.

As far as expanding your airship, it's almost always easiest for me to build whatever I want, then move the cockpit. Example - at the very beginning, I often build 4 rooms to one side, then put the cockpit in the center of the row and eventually build a second balloon at the end. Much easier (if possible at all) than trying to build two rooms on either side and working from there.

[DeLindsay]

Publicado originalmente por Fargazer:

Publicado originalmente por DeLindsay:

One thing of note, FFH changed the way we build some time ago and it's no longer possible to stack Balloons directly on top of each other going up

Clarification: you can't stack a balloon directly on top of another without a room in between. Next to a balloon, you can build a tower of rooms of sufficient height to branch rooms across the balloon and build a second one directly above the first.

That was implied and it's also irrelevant as it's not longer possible. The change they made a while back (I think it was the Dec Patch, but possibly the Oct one) and it removed 1 Room vertically or maybe more to point reduced the vertical ceiling by 1 Room, thus making it impossible to have Balloon directly over one another going up. I haven't tried doing so going down since that change, mostly because going down is a huge pita.

Prior to the change we could go 20 Rooms high in total, after the change it's 19.

[The Dude]

They need to add a shipbuilding platform where you can basically start everything from scratch and build a design with materials you have. On the ship. If it doesn't work then it reverts back to the original ship.

[samminmax]

The key here is that the airship ALWAYS must have enough lift to take off. You're not allowed to not have any lift, or even insufficient lift...ever. The tool refuses to allow it. So to move a balloon, you first must build another balloon, and the second balloon must be big enough to carry the entire weight by itself. Then you can deconstruct the first balloon, and rebuild it where you want it.

I bump into this issue every time I bump up to two balloon hulls, because I like to build symmetrical, and the easiest way to do it is to move the balloon to the outer edge of the airship without having to remove and rebuild every module I've built so far.

Just build out a bit to the side, have plenty of helium on hand, build a second balloon, move the first where you want it, then remove the second and whatever room you had to jut out to build it on. Not too hard, and it only requires some extra helium on hand. You get it all back in the end, so nothing lost.

[DeLindsay]

Publicado originalmente por samminmax:

The key here is that the airship ALWAYS must have enough lift to take off. You're not allowed to not have any lift, or even insufficient lift...ever. The tool refuses to allow it. So to move a balloon, you first must build another balloon, and the second balloon must be big enough to carry the entire weight by itself. Then you can deconstruct the first balloon, and rebuild it where you want it.

I bump into this issue every time I bump up to two balloon hulls, because I like to build symmetrical, and the easiest way to do it is to move the balloon to the outer edge of the airship without having to remove and rebuild every module I've built so far.

Just build out a bit to the side, have plenty of helium on hand, build a second balloon, move the first where you want it, then remove the second and whatever room you had to jut out to build it on. Not too hard, and it only requires some extra helium on hand. You get it all back in the end, so nothing lost.

This take is completely irrelevant to this topic. If we are DOCKED as we in have the Anchor Icon on the Steering Stick, then it shouldn't matter AT ALL if we "move" the Balloon because we're docked and thus can't fly at that point anyway.

The only way that entire thing you stated is relevant is if someone is trying to do this mid air, and quite frankly why would they be in the 1st place. Also, we know as FACT that the Devs are capable of moving the Balloon so it's already coded into the game.

[Philtre]

Publicado originalmente por DeLindsay:

This take is completely irrelevant to this topic. If we are DOCKED as we in have the Anchor Icon on the Steering Stick, then it shouldn't matter AT ALL if we "move" the Balloon because we're docked and thus can't fly at that point anyway.

The only way that entire thing you stated is relevant is if someone is trying to do this mid air, and quite frankly why would they be in the 1st place. Also, we know as FACT that the Devs are capable of moving the Balloon so it's already coded into the game.

samminmax is explaining how to remove the original balloon. You may think the game's requirements are silly, but if you want to remove the balloon, this is how you currently have to do it. If you think the lift limit shouldn't be enforced when the airship is docked, make a post in the Suggestions forum.

[DeLindsay]

Publicado originalmente por Philtre:

Publicado originalmente por DeLindsay:

This take is completely irrelevant to this topic. If we are DOCKED as we in have the Anchor Icon on the Steering Stick, then it shouldn't matter AT ALL if we "move" the Balloon because we're docked and thus can't fly at that point anyway.

The only way that entire thing you stated is relevant is if someone is trying to do this mid air, and quite frankly why would they be in the 1st place. Also, we know as FACT that the Devs are capable of moving the Balloon so it's already coded into the game.

samminmax is explaining how to remove the original balloon. You may think the game's requirements are silly, but if you want to remove the balloon, this is how you currently have to do it. If you think the lift limit shouldn't be enforced when the airship is docked, make a post in the Suggestions forum.

I am 100% referring to moving the original Balloon in my response. And it HAS been suggested before by more than myself after we found out the Devs ARE able to move that Balloon. Not one person is asking to REMOVE the Balloon and fly around with NO Balloon at all. We're all just asking for the ability to pick up the Balloon and relocate it to a new Anchor point while Docked, that's it. Even FFH has stated they know that we're having to do a workaround by adding a temp Balloon off to the side then play the Balloon juggling mini game.

[NNTorro]

Create a platform in the game in the form of docks for the ship, in which you can do anything with the ship, and at the same time not lose weight. I have already asked more than once about the removal or modification of cylinders. I also wish that in these docks it was possible to change the location of the cylinders not only from above, but also on the sides or from below. I would like more variations of ships and not just flying cubes on balls.