They made Spectres WAY too powerful

[Ziack]

I remember when I summoned them to learn the game they would always die in the first phase of the fight, or immediately when the second started. I just watched my wife kill the KING of puppets on her first attempt with full flasks because the AI just went for the spectre the entire time and even after fully tanking both phases, it still had almost half HP left, wtf is this? You no longer need any skill for any significant fight in the game? just summon a spectre, and you win?

It's literally the same as summoning a lvl 300 friend in Elden ring to help you with the first boss. These spectres are just completely un kill-able now. Way to take out ANY challenge from the game

Edit: As this seems to be triggering some people, all I can say is, I hope the spectres are less of an instant win button later in the game, because as of the King of Puppets and before, they are just that.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Ziack:

Way to take out ANY challenge from the game

Didn't know summoning Specters was part of the challenge. I always assumed otherwise, which is, y'know, ignoring them if you want a challenging fight.

You learn something new every day.

[kyu bey]

The whole point in summoning a helper is to have an easier time

[SadPlatty©]

Ehh, you say "any challenge", but it seems you forget (or maybe I somehow missed it) - but Corrupted Parade Master for example doesn't even have a Specter to help. Plus - Walker of Illusions doesn't have one either.

Agree though that they are pretty chunky now however; just don't let it outpace you damage wise if you want to use it but keep the challenge. Usually the boss goes after the higher DPS of the two (unless you are clowning on it, then they will focus the AI to thin out support).

[KoD]

So...don't summon them? I don't get it, your problem is that someone else might kill the boss easier than you?

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Ehh, you say "any challenge", but it seems you forget (or maybe I somehow missed it) - but Corrupted Parade Master for example doesn't even have a Specter to help. Plus - Walker of Illusions doesn't have one either.

Agree though that they are pretty chunky now however; just don't let it outpace you damage wise if you want to use it but keep the challenge. Usually the boss goes after the higher DPS of the two (unless you are clowning on it, then they will focus the AI to thin out support).

Nor does Door Guardian.

Or the final puppet.

But don't expect logical consistency from folks desperate to prove the devs drove to their house just to kick their dog.

[Haruspex]

Yep. Spectre made this game easy mode.
The only thing they should have touched was arguably just Manus and Laxia

[Amene]

The only thing they should have touched was arguably just Manus and Laxia

Those enemies really go down quick in pre-patch version.

As for the summons - as far as I care - they can make them one-shot everything, be unkillable and available in the field. Just leave the rest of the game alone.

[Viper]

Not really ..they usually die half way through a boss fight.

[Dregora]

Man you people are daft. Don't use them then.

[Baron01]

Originally posted by Ziack:

I remember when I summoned them to learn the game they would always die in the first phase of the fight, or immediately when the second started. I just watched my wife kill the KING of puppets on her first attempt with full flasks because the AI just went for the spectre the entire time and even after fully tanking both phases, it still had almost half HP left, wtf is this? You no longer need any skill for any significant fight in the game. just summon a spectre, and you win.

It's literally the same as summoning a lvl 300 friend in Elden ring to help you with the first boss. These spectres are just completely un kill-able now. Way to take out ANY challenge from the game

BS story is BS story. No specters last full fight unless you blow the boss to pieces. Even if you use wish stones to buff specter, it is just temporary buff and it will wear off eventually and the specter starts losing HP again.

Trolls these days do not even try, they just spam nonsense.

[chinsky]

Originally posted by Baron01:

Originally posted by Ziack:

I remember when I summoned them to learn the game they would always die in the first phase of the fight, or immediately when the second started. I just watched my wife kill the KING of puppets on her first attempt with full flasks because the AI just went for the spectre the entire time and even after fully tanking both phases, it still had almost half HP left, wtf is this? You no longer need any skill for any significant fight in the game. just summon a spectre, and you win.

It's literally the same as summoning a lvl 300 friend in Elden ring to help you with the first boss. These spectres are just completely un kill-able now. Way to take out ANY challenge from the game

BS story is BS story. No specters last full fight unless you blow the boss to pieces. Even if you use wish stones to buff specter, it is just temporary buff and it will wear off eventually and the specter starts losing HP again.

Trolls these days do not even try, they just spam nonsense.

Your the troll dude. I've had a spectre last a full fight against the archbishop(pre patch mind you). Granted it took me two tries to beat it. Spectres can last the full fight if you actually fight and know what your doing in the fight.

[kconvey1]

Originally posted by Ziack:

I remember when I summoned them to learn the game they would always die in the first phase of the fight, or immediately when the second started. I just watched my wife kill the KING of puppets on her first attempt with full flasks because the AI just went for the spectre the entire time and even after fully tanking both phases, it still had almost half HP left, wtf is this? You no longer need any skill for any significant fight in the game. just summon a spectre, and you win.

It's literally the same as summoning a lvl 300 friend in Elden ring to help you with the first boss. These spectres are just completely un kill-able now. Way to take out ANY challenge from the game

And this sirs is what happens when your game doesnt have a proper easy mode

Congratulations for that one.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by chinsky:

Originally posted by Baron01:

BS story is BS story. No specters last full fight unless you blow the boss to pieces. Even if you use wish stones to buff specter, it is just temporary buff and it will wear off eventually and the specter starts losing HP again.

Trolls these days do not even try, they just spam nonsense.

Your the troll dude. I've had a spectre last a full fight against the archbishop(pre patch mind you). Granted it took me two tries to beat it. Spectres can last the full fight if you actually fight and know what your doing in the fight.

Maintaining spectre survivability requires the player to stay engaged in the fight, pulling aggro off the spectre so it doesn't get bodied by a single combo chain.

That puts the player at risk, and is fundamentally different from "just letting spectre solo bosses."

[Baron01]

Originally posted by chinsky:

... Spectres can last the full fight if you actually fight and know what your doing in the fight.

Why do you need to summon specter if you actually know what you are doing in a fight?

One possibility you are just making ♥♥♥♥ up and posting it on these forums.

[Ziack]

Originally posted by KoD:

So...don't summon them? I don't get it, your problem is that someone else might kill the boss easier than you?

This is after 20+ deaths the Clown right before. Let that sink in. The Clown kills her 20 times, but she one shots the King of Puppets, a way harder fight, why? well, the spectre is un kill-able. It's not "Making it easier" it's now a literal baked in easy mode. Even she felt disgusted by it and quit her game afterwards because of how unfulfilling that was. She wasn't away the spectres were THAT much stronger than pre patch