Puppet King?!

[Sokurah]

Honestly this guy kills it for me.

First of all how do you avoid his weird storm move? It always seems to get me no matter where i am. It tried block or deflect but nothing works.

For the boss itself. The first phase is just horrible design.

- He has too much HP. My best weapon takes forever to kill him.
- The fight itself has a really slow and tedious pace, you cant risk too much becuase you will lose HP, so you need to stay patient
- he is too big, he fills all the screen, making somes attacks weird to predict, or see
- also you have the same problem as with any other boss, you might just miss a critical window because it triggers at a bad timing.

I still can't beat phase one consistently or with enough HP to even get to try a few deflects with Phase 2. I dont question that i can get good at him, i dealt propperly with every of his attack separately at least once. But i'm bored out of my mind with this fight. I dont even get angry anymore, what usually isa bad sign.

I usually dont give up so fast but keep fightig phase 1 is so devastatingly boring i don't know what to do.

Is the rest of the game so good that its worth it? Is there any gimmik way of getting rid of phase 1 faster?

Need to call it a night now and sleep over it. thx.

[MostlyPanda]

phase 1 is a 25sec fight... use electric grindstone, duh.

[plump pickle]

There are 2 storm variants (3 actually but the 3rd one is a feint). When it spins its entire upper body, you should stay close. If it's bending over and you see a fan spinning on where its head was, you should probably run.

[Savager]

If you want to kill him by the fastest and most boring way use this guide lol. Thanks to this video I realized how OP the grenades and other stuff you can throw is. I went with this tactic to another boss just mixed the stuff differently and it worked too. Just spam him with throwables in both phases and you will rekt him. Also healing your spectre is useful so he gets the aggro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTy7hKjcuoo

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Sokurah:

First of all how do you avoid his weird storm move?

Hug his ankles. For some reason the hitbox starts somewhere further from him.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

- He has too much HP. My best weapon takes forever to kill him.

And what exactly is that "best" weapon? Also what is your stat distribution? My best weapon at the moment was doing 300+ damage on a light attack. Focusing on heavy attacks and perfect guarding his double overhead allowed me to shave off half of his HP in under a minute.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

- The fight itself has a really slow and tedious pace, you cant risk too much becuase you will lose HP, so you need to stay patient

Not really. If you make it a point to always stay near him and keep up the pressure, he goes down relatively quickly.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

- he is too big, he fills all the screen, making somes attacks weird to predict, or see

Fair point, but if you have enough Souls experience in your bag, dealing with large enemies should be a second nature by this point.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

I still can't beat phase one consistently or with enough HP to even get to try a few deflects with Phase 2.

Pro-tip for a second phase: Forget about perfect guards and concentrate on dodging. Specifically, dodging forward. No matter what attack he throws at you, dodge forward to always position yourself behind him. Trust me on this.

[Nater]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Originally posted by Sokurah:

First of all how do you avoid his weird storm move?

Hug his ankles. For some reason the hitbox starts somewhere further from him.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

- He has too much HP. My best weapon takes forever to kill him.

And what exactly is that "best" weapon? Also what is your stat distribution? My best weapon at the moment was doing 300+ damage on a light attack. Focusing on heavy attacks and perfect guarding his double overhead allowed me to shave off half of his HP in under a minute.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

- The fight itself has a really slow and tedious pace, you cant risk too much becuase you will lose HP, so you need to stay patient

Not really. If you make it a point to always stay near him and keep up the pressure, he goes down relatively quickly.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

- he is too big, he fills all the screen, making somes attacks weird to predict, or see

Fair point, but if you have enough Souls experience in your bag, dealing with large enemies should be a second nature by this point.

Originally posted by Sokurah:

I still can't beat phase one consistently or with enough HP to even get to try a few deflects with Phase 2.

Pro-tip for a second phase: Forget about perfect guards and concentrate on dodging. Specifically, dodging forward. No matter what attack he throws at you, dodge forward to always position yourself behind him. Trust me on this.

I'm using +5 puppet sabre blade and the first phase basically requires you to be perfect with blocking. I'm only doing 250 with a heavy attack. Sticking clost doesn't really help when he's half way as his spin moves hit you.

[Powercrank]

im starting to think this game has serious balance issues.
some people have a very hard time and say enemies are HP sponges, while others have an easy time and say enemies die quickly.

i had the experience of the game becoming significantly easier halfway through when I found a new weapon and started destroying everything easily. I struggled like crazy on puppet king but i beat both the last two bosses on my first try. That doesn't seem right.

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by Powercrank:

im starting to think this game has serious balance issues.
some people have a very hard time and say enemies are HP sponges, while others have an easy time and say enemies die quickly.

i had the experience of the game becoming significantly easier halfway through when I found a new weapon and started destroying everything easily. I struggled like crazy on puppet king but i beat both the last two bosses on my first try. That doesn't seem right.

Scaling, item use, and the like as well as actually clicking with the mechanics make a big difference. Also some folks are better at fighting the big enemies and suck at fighting the human sized ones and vice versa.

Doing too wide a stat spread for instance would make bosses sponges because you just don't have the scaling to deal with em. Especially if you don't use the tools you have.

For instance i lost to the Bishop many many times and even the mini boss before that. But killed the King of Puppets on a single try.

The difference? I used more items against the first phase of the KoP but just straight out dueled the second phase. It was easy for me. Meanwhile with the Bishop i had a rough time timing my perfect guards and the like against even the frog half. On the last run, it finally clicked and i was able to i-frame dodge inbetween the claw attacks and take advantage of the slams.

I seem to have more issues with the big boys and destroy human sized opponents.

[Medina_Rico]

He has two different wind storm moves in his first phase. One hits you if you're close to him, the other one hits if you're away from him. You have to recognize how each one starts to decide if you should back off or stay close and get free hits.

[Sharkofspace]

Originally posted by Nater:

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Hug his ankles. For some reason the hitbox starts somewhere further from him.

And what exactly is that "best" weapon? Also what is your stat distribution? My best weapon at the moment was doing 300+ damage on a light attack. Focusing on heavy attacks and perfect guarding his double overhead allowed me to shave off half of his HP in under a minute.

Not really. If you make it a point to always stay near him and keep up the pressure, he goes down relatively quickly.

Fair point, but if you have enough Souls experience in your bag, dealing with large enemies should be a second nature by this point.

Pro-tip for a second phase: Forget about perfect guards and concentrate on dodging. Specifically, dodging forward. No matter what attack he throws at you, dodge forward to always position yourself behind him. Trust me on this.

I'm using +5 puppet sabre blade and the first phase basically requires you to be perfect with blocking. I'm only doing 250 with a heavy attack. Sticking clost doesn't really help when he's half way as his spin moves hit you.

You guys were doing that much damage per attack at KoP??? I just killed puppet-devouring monster and my best weapon does maybe 150 per attack...

[MostlyPanda]

Originally posted by Sharkofspace:

Originally posted by Nater:

I'm using +5 puppet sabre blade and the first phase basically requires you to be perfect with blocking. I'm only doing 250 with a heavy attack. Sticking clost doesn't really help when he's half way as his spin moves hit you.

You guys were doing that much damage per attack at KoP??? I just killed puppet-devouring monster and my best weapon does maybe 150 per attack...

Im using an assembled weapon with technique modified hilt. on Puppet King, my heavy attacks dealt 400+ dmg per hit. phase 1 was done in less then 25sec with Grindstone

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by MostlyPanda:

Originally posted by Sharkofspace:

You guys were doing that much damage per attack at KoP??? I just killed puppet-devouring monster and my best weapon does maybe 150 per attack...

Im using an assembled weapon with technique modified hilt. on Puppet King, my heavy attacks dealt 400+ dmg per hit. phase 1 was done in less then 25sec with Grindstone

Ya proper handles for the proper scaling for your stats plus grindstone makes for a lot of damage.

[Sharkofspace]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Originally posted by MostlyPanda:

Im using an assembled weapon with technique modified hilt. on Puppet King, my heavy attacks dealt 400+ dmg per hit. phase 1 was done in less then 25sec with Grindstone

Ya proper handles for the proper scaling for your stats plus grindstone makes for a lot of damage.

I know how stats, scaling, and grindstones work, and despite using all those things properly, phase one never took less than five minutes to kill.

I can barely do 150 damage per hit where I am in the game NOW, and you were TRIPLING my CURRENT damage five chapters earlier? There's just no way. Something is clearly off.

Even if I was using a weapon with D scaling (Which I'm not, just to be clear), and he was using something with A scaling, that still wouldn't create a gap that absurdly massive in our damage outputs.

It's not like it's just me. Tons of people are reporting extremely spongy enemies, but there's always a group of people claiming they killed every boss in the game in twenty seconds on their first try. Clearly something is up, and just writing it off as "Skill issue" is disingenuous at this point.

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by Sharkofspace:

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Ya proper handles for the proper scaling for your stats plus grindstone makes for a lot of damage.

I know how stats, scaling, and grindstones work, and despite using all those things properly, phase one never took less than five minutes to kill.

I can barely do 150 damage per hit where I am in the game NOW, and you were TRIPLING my CURRENT damage five chapters earlier? There's just no way. Something is clearly off.

Even if I was using a weapon with D scaling (Which I'm not, just to be clear), and he was using something with A scaling, that still wouldn't create a gap that absurdly massive in our damage outputs.

It's not like it's just me. Tons of people are reporting extremely spongy enemies, but there's always a group of people claiming they killed every boss in the game in twenty seconds on their first try. Clearly something is up, and just writing it off as "Skill issue" is disingenuous at this point.

Buddy i use the Tyrant Murderer dagger, i run in with a bloody dagger. I shred bosses. At least i do now, i beat the KoP on the first go. My stats were great for it since Technique is my highest stat, other than that i mostly dropped points into vigor, capacity, and vitality. I am only now investing in Advance due to how dam good throwables scale.

The thing to also keep in mind is that the shock status increases damage so you will hit harder.

To just give an idea of how my damage works, i just ran in to stab a puppet with his two handed sword(the military like boys) with my dagger. I do about 120-160 and i do a good amount over 200 (say about 220 and up) with the crits. But i do that in rapid succession, its very fast damage that ramps up high and quickly.

That is with 29 technique to make it clear, i had about 25 when i faced off against the KoP.

And that is a with a weapon that isn't going to have the heavy damage per strike other weapons do. On the same enemy with my bonecutter+dancer curved sword handle i do 350 damage on average per swing.

Mind you, that is just with light attacks. I am not even mentioning heavies. Or adding shock to the mix.

You are obviously having issues. And they are most likely your own. So yes, it is a skill issue. Well more knowledge issue but you get the gist.

[Mecharion]

Had a hard time too.. i try to do everything without spectre like i never summoned in all DS games.. but hell this dude was a pain in the A.. needed 20 trys or so. I switcht to the electric club thing and used some nades in phase 2 to finally finish this ♥♥♥♥. In phase 2 allway dodge to the left and stick close. Dont even tried to parry him..

[Sharkofspace]

Originally posted by SteelaiRizel:

Originally posted by Sharkofspace:

I know how stats, scaling, and grindstones work, and despite using all those things properly, phase one never took less than five minutes to kill.

I can barely do 150 damage per hit where I am in the game NOW, and you were TRIPLING my CURRENT damage five chapters earlier? There's just no way. Something is clearly off.

Even if I was using a weapon with D scaling (Which I'm not, just to be clear), and he was using something with A scaling, that still wouldn't create a gap that absurdly massive in our damage outputs.

It's not like it's just me. Tons of people are reporting extremely spongy enemies, but there's always a group of people claiming they killed every boss in the game in twenty seconds on their first try. Clearly something is up, and just writing it off as "Skill issue" is disingenuous at this point.

Buddy i use the Tyrant Murderer dagger, i run in with a bloody dagger. I shred bosses. At least i do now, i beat the KoP on the first go. My stats were great for it since Technique is my highest stat, other than that i mostly dropped points into vigor, capacity, and vitality. I am only now investing in Advance due to how dam good throwables scale.

The thing to also keep in mind is that the shock status increases damage so you will hit harder.

To just give an idea of how my damage works, i just ran in to stab a puppet with his two handed sword(the military like boys) with my dagger. I do about 120-160 and i do a good amount over 200 (say about 220 and up) with the crits. But i do that in rapid succession, its very fast damage that ramps up high and quickly.

That is with 29 technique to make it clear, i had about 25 when i faced off against the KoP.

And that is a with a weapon that isn't going to have the heavy damage per strike other weapons do. On the same enemy with my bonecutter+dancer curved sword handle i do 350 damage on average per swing.

Mind you, that is just with light attacks. I am not even mentioning heavies. Or adding shock to the mix.

You are obviously having issues. And they are most likely your own. So yes, it is a skill issue. Well more knowledge issue but you get the gist.

I never doubted you could beat bosses, I'm talking about the numbers here. How is someone doing 400+ damage with light attacks on a dex build that early in the game? Do damage stats not have a cap in this game?

I also beat the boss in question many hours ago, despite doing no damage whatsoever for some reason. I'd hardly call that a skill issue.