All new items SUCK

[Sovereign Star]

Plasteel take forever to bake, all my Jourmuntide Ignis with artisan and work salve, nocturnal, take forever to make 25 plasteel.

Oil derrick is utter garbage as it demands so much power, were it not for my nocturnal artisan orzerks doing all the hard work, the base may get powered off at night constantly. Even so, the gain is so atrociously slow, I get more crude oil by killing Kikkit and oil rig raid.

New shield sucks, repairing it needs ancient core, and the only way to get said core is either from raid or oil rig. Then you have to speed run a bunch of dungeons to find tablet pieces to make a full tablet, while it takes forever for the oil rig to reset itself.

All new guns suck, why all of them demand plasteel, and doesn't perform just as good as conventional weapons? Who in the right mind among the development team thinking that guided missile should deal less damage than rocket launcher? Even ammunition demand crude oil to be made, and the amount you get from gold chest is always not enough.

The only good is just the armor, and then again, light weight plasteel is the only good new addition for the protection. Because who would even need fire and cold resistant armor when we can buy multi-climate shirt +1 with doge coins? Or get that even better multi-climate shirt +2 from raid?

New raids suck, do all the sweat and blood, man every turrets, only so they drop few cores and garbage eggs that I still have to sweat my breeding farm to get traits I wanted.

[wildbill]

Well typically in games, new items are introduced a bit nerfed and then re-balanced once there is some time to see how everything is balanced. I've seen games that release stuff OP and then nerf it, which sucks. So maybe they will make it better in the next patch.

Honestly, I see no need to go to the oil rig at all from what I've heard about it (haven't visited it once). I looked at the new shield, didn't seem worth it, so didn't make it. I did make the light weight plasteel armor. That is nice. And the helm, but none of the new weapons. The new coal and sulfur mining sites are nice.

I'm mean just don't use them if they don't look good. That is what I'm doing. Some of the new pals look worthwhile. Like Orserk.

The new weapons have ammo that uses mats that aren't well balanced just yet. I expect that will be fixed eventually. The game is early access, so at times it is going to be a mess. Kind of like it is now. Still, there is also a lot of good stuff added too.

[Anewbous]

Have you found the quad launcher yet? It's pretty fun.

[Shrub]

Yeah there's a lot of tweaking needed for the new content. Rocket > Every new weapon. The energy one is nice at med range, ammo is super light although if they nerf legendary sphere prices idk how viable it'll be to buy bulk organs or breeding item-drop pals... Rocket meta for life? I hope not...

The energy drain from the oil machine is absolutely my biggest gripe though. It is INSANE how demanding it is. Even with an additional power source using 3 'elec suitabiliy 3' pals I couldn't run 1 Oil / 3 vending machines / 2 ceiling lights... Excuse me? 2 Nocturnal Orzerks or bust and I get that it's end-game but yikes.

And oh god the egg trauma... With a 2% male offspring, do you know how long it took to remove SHABBY FROM THE GENE POOL!?!? My one setting change was breeding time and it was still a nightmare to endure the process... even though Bella is actually redonk.

Originally posted by wildbill:

Honestly, I see no need to go to the oil rig at all from what I've heard about it (haven't visited it once).

Has great schematics and ez core access, but that's the only thing that stood out to me. The first run was fun, then it immediately became tedious to disable the security so I began zooming to the chest spawns... I guess it's something to do, and I certainly appreciate that.

[Shrub]

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

New guns pwn if it doesn't need that much oil

Elaborate and enlighten me to the glory of the new weapons for I am blind. I tried shooting a homing rocket and the delay killed my soul

[Flügel]

What's up w/ all your orserk? I was disappointed the energy needs weren't more demanding after maxing out 4 to use for the triple node location on the volcano island. Each node w/ two extractors, so 6 total. Would need to take more time testing, but seemed like I could have managed with just two orserk. Level 5 in any skill w/ nocturnal/artisan/serious/work-slave is nuts.

[Revan619]

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

Oil drain pwns if it can produce more oil.
New shield pwns if it doesn't require ancient core.
New guns pwn if it doesn't need that much oil
Oil rig pwns if it has 3% legendary drop instead of 0.025%

With our powers combined we can summon captain new patch. :erune:

The year is 2024 and someone unirionically used pwns

[NotxEevee]

Originally posted by Sovereign Star:

Oil derrick is utter garbage as it demands so much power, were it not for my nocturnal artisan orzerks doing all the hard work, the base may get powered off at night constantly. Even so, the gain is so atrociously slow, I get more crude oil by killing Kikkit and oil rig raid.

The oil extractors are so bad and they produce so slowly that I don't even want to bother moving my main base over to somewhere where I can produce oil, even though I like to have everything produced in a single spot.

The funniest thing about this entire thing is that you're better off building a base with only breeding farms with Kikkits in them, and while their eggs are generated you go to the desert of Sakurajima with x3 spawns and a rocket launcher. It's so much quicker that way.

[Frost Draco]

Originally posted by NotxEevee:

Originally posted by Sovereign Star:

Oil derrick is utter garbage as it demands so much power, were it not for my nocturnal artisan orzerks doing all the hard work, the base may get powered off at night constantly. Even so, the gain is so atrociously slow, I get more crude oil by killing Kikkit and oil rig raid.

The oil extractors are so bad and they produce so slowly that I don't even want to bother moving my main base over to somewhere where I can produce oil, even though I like to have everything produced in a single spot.

The funniest thing about this entire thing is that you're better off building a base with only breeding farms with Kikkits in them, and while their eggs are generated you go to the desert of Sakurajima with x3 spawns and a rocket launcher. It's so much quicker that way.

This is a terrible use of cakes. Oil is easy to get if you have a set up for extractors. Kit kats are thw worst investment, they dont even drop oil 100%. They have a 50% chance to drop 1 oil. This is a waste of cakes. You generate one egg every 1.25 minutes at most (double philanthropist) with a 50% chance to drop oil. This is slightly faster than an oil extractor AND it requires a cake. You can have up to 6 oil extractors on a single base and it requires less pals and resources to run them.

The oil extractors generate way more oil than this if you stack them and build a base for them. Eventually you hit a point where you don't need a ton of oil and it just piles up. You can get all of the new ammo from the content, so unless your main weapon is the flamethrower you will eventually produce more oil than you ever need. Please stop spreading this tactic that "kitkats" or any of the other oil dropping pals are a good farm. They are not. They are a waste of resources. A few orzerks with noctural, + electricity tower and a few spare generators for excess power will out perform this even without souls or condensing.

I have tens of thousands of excess oil. Simply put, you are just wrong and going off feeling rather than testing both methods extensively. In fact you can use this method AND have a breeding base on the same spot, just make sure to stock the orzerks with salads in the feedbox, as the breeding pals dont need food.

[Nicodemous52]

Helzypher Lux is naturally nocturnal. I feel like everyone was like oh, I need to breed an army of Orserks when Helzyper Lux is super easy to find and catch and was basically made to deal with the new stuff.

I will at least agree that I find the laser to be under whelming as well as the meteor launcher.

The cold and heat Plasteel armors give you more life and defense. Using the light weight is a bit of a trade off, it's not as good, but you get 100 added to your carry weight with it on.

[NotxEevee]

Originally posted by Frost Draco:

This is a terrible use of cakes.

Noone cares except you? That wasn't even part of the argument.

Originally posted by Frost Draco:

I have tens of thousands of excess oil. Simply put, you are just wrong and going off feeling rather than testing both methods extensively. In fact you can use this method AND have a breeding base on the same spot, just make sure to stock the orzerks with salads in the feedbox, as the breeding pals dont need food.

I love how your whole response demonstrates that extractors may be worthless since you can get a near 1 to 1 result with an alternate method that doesn't use them at all.
Almost like you're proving my point...

[Frost Draco]

Originally posted by NotxEevee:

Originally posted by Frost Draco:

This is a terrible use of cakes.

Noone cares except you? That wasn't even part of the argument.

Originally posted by Frost Draco:

I have tens of thousands of excess oil. Simply put, you are just wrong and going off feeling rather than testing both methods extensively. In fact you can use this method AND have a breeding base on the same spot, just make sure to stock the orzerks with salads in the feedbox, as the breeding pals dont need food.

I love how your whole response demonstrates that extractors may be worthless since you can get a near 1 to 1 result with an alternate method that doesn't use them at all.
Almost like you're proving my point...

You can't say nobody cares then proceed to argue how I've 'proven your point'.

Clearly you cared enough to respond, write up your original post, and then proceed to not debunk anything I've said. You don't get a 1-1 result, you get about the same result at a much higher cost and investment, which by default makes it worse. If you can't do math, just say so.

When you consider if something is worth doing, you don't just look at the end amount, but also what you had to put in. The irony is it will take you the same amount of time to produce similar amounts of oil, which defeats the point of taking the more expensive path. You don't get the oil any faster, just do the extractors and have some patience.

[McGoodGreen]

This is what happens when you don't teach your kids to be grateful and write thank you cards for the presents they got at their party.

Couldn't take this seriously for a second when you talk like this.

[Ethanol]

Originally posted by McGoodGreen:

This is what happens when you don't teach your kids to be grateful and write thank you cards for the presents they got at their party.

Couldn't take this seriously for a second when you talk like this.

Sorry, Mister, but we call this feedback.

Certainly this one isn't grateful for an awful update, and definitely not the only one.

[Flügel]

Double checked the electricity thing. 2 maxed out Orserk and a single big generator is more than enough to support 6 oil extractors.

Edit: And a maxed out Jorm Ignis makes a plasteel in under 3 seconds.

[wildbill]

Originally posted by Flügel:

Double checked the electricity thing. 2 maxed out Orserk and a single big generator is more than enough to support 6 oil extractors.

Edit: And a maxed out Jorm Ignis makes a plasteel in under 3 seconds.

If only there were an achievement. like 5 maxed out pals.

I think you would find less than 1% would have that achievement. So why does all advice in these forums tend to include using a maxed out pal?

I'm just slowly grinding the oil out with pals I caught and not even breed at all. I've gotten maybe 1000 oil so far in a week. Plenty enough for me, but I'm not using a lot of plasteel.