Work Suitability Levels

[KrispyAss]

I've been redoing my base as well as the Pals that work in the base. Compared to back then, I've attained some pals with work suitability levels from Level 2 or higher. Other than Level 2 mining Ore and such, is there any other difference between levels? Do they work faster or can they collect extra resources etc?

[JustATextBox]

Yeah, every level will increase their speed at whatever the task is. Transporting for example, they carry more items per trip. Watering/Kindling/etc will complete those activities quicker.

The only thing that I'm not sure how to compare is something like.. a level 1 kindling pal with 100 work speed vs a level 2 kindling pal with 70 work speed. I think the level 2 kindling is still better? But not certain on that one

[Odd Donny]

Keep in mind things other than level when picking pals for work. Sometimes a nocturnal pal with a lower level will be better for a task simply due to them not sleeping, or a smaller pal so they don't get stuck in tight spaces.

[MewTressym]

You can raise their work proficiency by raising their star levels as well using the condenser. Generally speaking if it's a work prof 2 you can get it to 3 guaranteed, if it's 3 you can guarantee it to 4 using this method. So just because a certain pal like Jormungdir has 4 kindling, you don't necessarily have to use him since he's so massive that he doesn't fit in most base designs, you can instead use a Reptyro and up it's stars to get the same +4 kindling, or a Bushido for more utility. Even a Flambelle can be a decent cook if you 5 star it.

[Odd Donny]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

You can raise their work proficiency by raising their star levels as well using the condenser. Generally speaking if it's a work prof 2 you can get it to 3 guaranteed, if it's 3 you can guarantee it to 4 using this method. So just because a certain pal like Jormungdir has 4 kindling, you don't necessarily have to use him since he's so massive that he doesn't fit in most base designs, you can instead use a Reptyro and up it's stars to get the same +4 kindling, or a Bushido for more utility. Even a Flambelle can be a decent cook if you 5 star it.

I had no idea! Thanks for the info!

[tazman1]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

You can raise their work proficiency by raising their star levels as well using the condenser. Generally speaking if it's a work prof 2 you can get it to 3 guaranteed, if it's 3 you can guarantee it to 4 using this method. So just because a certain pal like Jormungdir has 4 kindling, you don't necessarily have to use him since he's so massive that he doesn't fit in most base designs, you can instead use a Reptyro and up it's stars to get the same +4 kindling, or a Bushido for more utility. Even a Flambelle can be a decent cook if you 5 star it.

hmm not sure on that one at least when I 2 starred my Cattavias and my cikipis it did not change their work proficencies. However what did increase was the Cattavias increase to carry weight and the Chikipis egg laying ability.

As for the mining gathering cooking all that stuff they alsways seemed to stay at the same level.

[Samus Knight]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

You can raise their work proficiency by raising their star levels as well using the condenser. Generally speaking if it's a work prof 2 you can get it to 3 guaranteed, if it's 3 you can guarantee it to 4 using this method. So just because a certain pal like Jormungdir has 4 kindling, you don't necessarily have to use him since he's so massive that he doesn't fit in most base designs, you can instead use a Reptyro and up it's stars to get the same +4 kindling, or a Bushido for more utility. Even a Flambelle can be a decent cook if you 5 star it.

This is helpful info, thanks! I have a small fire Pal with Artisan which is great for the layout of my base however I was planning to seek out a Pal with a higher kindling skill. Problem there is they're all so large and too many large pals just won't fit in your base unless you tear everything down and just lay it out all over sacrificing aesthetics for mobility.

[Mercurial]

Originally posted by Weorhtleas:

The only thing that I'm not sure how to compare is something like.. a level 1 kindling pal with 100 work speed vs a level 2 kindling pal with 70 work speed. I think the level 2 kindling is still better? But not certain on that one

A couple days after the game came out, I compared a Kindling 3 pal to a Kindling 1 pal.

Both were making Ingots on furnaces side by side.

The Kindling 3 pal made roughly 8 ingots for every 1 of the Kindling 1 pal.

The difference is extreme. You would have to seriously stack passive skills to make up for just one level in base skills like kindling/watering/mining.

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by tazman1:

hmm not sure on that one at least when I 2 starred my Cattavias and my cikipis it did not change their work proficencies. However what did increase was the Cattavias increase to carry weight and the Chikipis egg laying ability.

As for the mining gathering cooking all that stuff they alsways seemed to stay at the same level.

2 stars does not increase work profs, I believe it's either 4 or 5 stars that does, possibly both. It's a huge investment, over 100 pals to the condenser.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

You can raise their work proficiency by raising their star levels as well using the condenser. Generally speaking if it's a work prof 2 you can get it to 3 guaranteed, if it's 3 you can guarantee it to 4 using this method. So just because a certain pal like Jormungdir has 4 kindling, you don't necessarily have to use him since he's so massive that he doesn't fit in most base designs, you can instead use a Reptyro and up it's stars to get the same +4 kindling, or a Bushido for more utility. Even a Flambelle can be a decent cook if you 5 star it.

It takes 1+4+16+32+64 = 117 Pals required to rank it up to 4 stars (max).
It will only increase its profiencies by +1.

A Flambelle will only have 2 Kindling, which is still pretty bad. 3 Kindling and 4 Kindlings are much better. So a Flambelle cant become a decent cook even at max stars.

Jormungdirs size isnt a problem, in fact its a boon since it can work a job without moving to move much and its not likely to get stuck with pathing due to its huge range.

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

It takes 1+4+16+32+64 = 117 Pals required to rank it up to 4 stars (max).
It will only increase its profiencies by +1.

A Flambelle will only have 2 Kindling, which is still pretty bad. 3 Kindling and 4 Kindlings are much better. So a Flambelle cant become a decent cook even at max stars.

Jormungdirs size isnt a problem, in fact its a boon since it can work a job without moving to move much and its not likely to get stuck with pathing due to its huge range.

Decent =/= Best Possible

My issue with my jormy is that he keeps accidentally pathing outside the base, and then getting stuck on the blue base border. While smaller pals don't seem to have that same issue.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by Mercurial:

Originally posted by Weorhtleas:

The only thing that I'm not sure how to compare is something like.. a level 1 kindling pal with 100 work speed vs a level 2 kindling pal with 70 work speed. I think the level 2 kindling is still better? But not certain on that one

A couple days after the game came out, I compared a Kindling 3 pal to a Kindling 1 pal.

Both were making Ingots on furnaces side by side.

The Kindling 3 pal made roughly 8 ingots for every 1 of the Kindling 1 pal.

The difference is extreme. You would have to seriously stack passive skills to make up for just one level in base skills like kindling/watering/mining.

Yeah I did a basic test with construction and I got similar results.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

Decent =/= Best Possible

You are failing to understand what we are talking about.

Each level increase massively speeds up working time. Perhaps 2x or more. That means proficiency has effectively exponentional scaling.

We are not talking about " best possible" we are talking about decent. A Flambelle wont be decent even at max stars.

Originally posted by MewTressym:

My issue with my jormy is that he keeps accidentally pathing outside the base, and then getting stuck on the blue base border. While smaller pals don't seem to have that same issue.

Smaller pals do have that issue.

[TemplarGFX]

Certain things also have proficiency requirements, for example a mining lvl 1 Pal will not mine coal (well mine wont!)

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

You are failing to understand what we are talking about.

Each level increase massively speeds up working time. Perhaps 2x or more. That means proficiency has effectively exponentional scaling.

We are not talking about " best possible" we are talking about decent. A Flambelle wont be decent even at max stars.

Now you're just being rude. You know full well what I meant and I fully understood what you meant as well. A 2 kindling is obviously not as good as 3 or 4, you seem to be implying that 4 is the only option and I'm saying it's not. You can use a lesser tier for more compactibility if you want and my scaling ranged from 1 Meh 2 Decent 3 Good 4 Best so to me yes 2 is decent.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

Now you're just being rude. You know full well what I meant and I fully understood what you meant as well. A 2 kindling is obviously not as good as 3 or 4, you seem to be implying that 4 is the only option and I'm saying it's not. You can use a lesser tier for more compactibility if you want and my scaling ranged from 1 Meh 2 Decent 3 Good 4 Best so to me yes 2 is decent.

I'm not being rude, you really are failing to understand what we are talking about and just how big the difference is.

Here is some basic testing to show you:

Mill = 80 workload

[Player] Workspeed 960 = 9 seconds, Workspeed 1120 = 8 seconds
960x9 = 8640, 1120x8 =8960

[Sheep] Workspeed 70 Lvl 1 Handiwork = 115 seconds 70x 115 = 8050
114 seconds would be 7980

conclusion: 100 Workspeed adds 1 Workload per second.
*numbers are rounded up, meaning that 114.000001 seconds would be shown as 115 seconds.

[Mossanda] Workspeed 70, Lvl 2 Handiwork = 40 seconds
80 Workload / 40 seconds = 2 Workload per second, or 200 Workspeed minimum required to take 40 seconds.
39 seconds requires 206 Workspeed. Meaning Mossanda's effective Workspeed is between 200~206

[Wixen] Workspeed 70, Lvl 3 Handiwork = 14 seconds
80 Workload / 14 seconds = 5.714 Workload per second, or 572 Workspeed minimum required to take 14 seconds.
13 seconds requires 616 Workspeed. Meaning Wixen's effective Workspeed is between 572~616

[Anubis] Workspeed 70, Lvl 3 Handiwork = 5 seconds
80 / 5 seconds = 16 Workload per second, or 1600 Workspeed minimum required to take 5 seconds
4 seconds requires 2000 Workspeed. Meaning Anubis's effective Workspeed is between 1600~2000

So...

Sheep takes 115 seconds. Max rank Sheep takes 40 seconds.
Anubis takes 5 seconds.

Meaning Anubis is 23 times as good as a Sheep and 8 times as good as a max rank sheep.

A Wixen is still almost 3 times as good as a max rank sheep, despite having to catch those only once instead of 117 times. And they are not a high level Pal either, but a mid level.