Summoner is so bad, I question why it was even added in this state.

[Yama]

So, I just got done with the 9.9.9 content, killed all the bosses multiple times and the map is fully explored. I played all of it as summoner and I have some feedback.

First of all, what in the world were you thinking giving the minions a lifetime? Almost every fight, where my pure mage, fighter or archer could dive right in, my summoner gets to stand behind a corner for 10 seconds taking a little casting break, pooping out bat after bat, even waiting for mana to refill to the point where I can summon the last of them because the sets give mana regen instead of max mana for some reason. All that is the opposite of fun.

Then, when you finally have all your minions and you go and attack something it takes what feels like a leap year for them to join the fight because they only attack what you are already in combat with and the summoning book has a melee primary attack? Ok, if you are making me open the fight with another ranged weapon then I might as well just use that and save myself the time sitting around summoning. Give the summoner book an attack command for left click!

Best of all, if you play with say a fireball staff of bazooka as secondary, chances are you are gonna one-shot the first target and that makes the bats instantly leave combat again.. did nobody test this?

The only way to play summoner that's even remotely fun is to summon the bats as you are running in, trying to avoid enemies like a headless chicken while poking and prodding everything around just to make sure the bats stay in combat. It's dumb.

Finally, there is the lack of summons variety. I don't think it's asking too much to have maybe 1 or 2 more summon weapons before the wall comes down. I looked everywhere and killed every boss multiple times. If there is one, I couldn't find it. If you pick summoner you have no choice but to hold on to your starting weapon.. the bats.

Wanna improve the bats? Get one of two armor sets and a jewelry off-hand combo and go grind summoning skill. And oh boy does it take a long time to grind summoning skill.. No chance of finding an upgrade in the field. No crafting one at the workbench. Progression isn't fun.

Summoner feels like it wasn't just added last minute, it feels like it was designed last minute too. This class needs to go back to the drawing board. Cheers!

[NouveauJoueur]

As the first and only level 100 summoner in the world, I can finally speak out :

It's not very good.

[Ishimuro]

and you still lack the higher tier equipment, so that means nothing

[Cipher Stormwolf]

Originally posted by NouveauJoueur:

As the first and only level 100 summoner in the world, I can finally speak out :

It's not very good.

Is there a way to get permanent max-mana (or mana-regen) bonus like for health?

[NouveauJoueur]

Originally posted by Cipher Stormwolf:

Is there a way to get permanent max-mana (or mana-regen) bonus like for health?

I didn't find any, but I am playing the free weekend demo version, so maybe behind the wall there will be ways to increase it.

[Hydremajor117]

my personal suggestion:

Make summoning weapons Off-Hand, pressing the off hand button on nothing summons, pressing while the cursor is on something orders to attack

[Torinux]

Originally posted by NouveauJoueur:

As the first and only level 100 summoner in the world, I can finally speak out :

It's not very good.

Who says you are the only one lvl 100% it only shows 0.1% for you and me and any other 100% Warlock/Mage because the Achievements (Global) will update on 1.0 release.

https://imgur.com/a/oRAKGmE

[Torinux]

Originally posted by Hydremajor117:

my personal suggestion:

Make summoning weapons Off-Hand, pressing the off hand button on nothing summons, pressing while the cursor is on something orders to attack

This.
But judging by Summoning passive tree, it seems that they expect us to use minions to boost our magic damage as a lvl 100 Mage and Summoner, that's what I do right now. I cast some summons and use them as a small but decent Magic damage boost.

[NouveauJoueur]

Originally posted by Ishimuro:

and you still lack the higher tier equipment, so that means nothing

It takes me less time to kill the slime boss with my axe, than it takes for the summon to target it.

3-5 hits with my axe, 1 to 2 seconds.

If I equip my summoner's gear and let my summon fight, it takes alot more time, and I feel like I can out DPS my summons with my fists.
And it also takes time to summon.

[NouveauJoueur]

Originally posted by TorinuxCthulhu:

Originally posted by NouveauJoueur:

As the first and only level 100 summoner in the world, I can finally speak out :

It's not very good.

Who says you are the only one lvl 100% it only shows 0.1% for you and me and any other 100% Warlock/Mage because the Achievements (Global) will update on 1.0 release.

https://imgur.com/a/oRAKGmE

Congratulations on your second place !

[FDru]

Originally posted by NouveauJoueur:

Originally posted by TorinuxCthulhu:

Who says you are the only one lvl 100% it only shows 0.1% for you and me and any other 100% Warlock/Mage because the Achievements (Global) will update on 1.0 release.

https://imgur.com/a/oRAKGmE

Congratulations on your second place !

lol. Fantastic.

[havoc7777]

Originally posted by TorinuxCthulhu:

I'm almost done maxing Summoner. I agree the A.I, and the fact that you have to hit first or go into mob's aggro range kinda makes the summons useless, it's still easy to level up the Warlock skill tree.

Summons need to have a toggle that puts them into passive mode (only attack if you enter combat) and an aggro mode (where the summons attack within a certain range).

The summoning AI wasn't a problem for me, but the EXTREMELY short duration on summons and lack of max mana or mana regen on summoning armor makes it far from feasible to keep up with the increased summon limits they give

[Hydremajor117]

Hmmmm

What if instead of a mana cost, Minions have a food drain on the summoner ? each minion adds a 1 food per second drain ?

[FDru]

Originally posted by Hydremajor117:

Hmmmm

What if instead of a mana cost, Minions have a food drain on the summoner ? each minion adds a 1 food per second drain ?

omg no. What are you, a sadist?

[Elixx]

Originally posted by NouveauJoueur:

As the first and only level 100 summoner in the world, I can finally speak out :

It's not very good.

You use mods, no respect there.

Originally posted by MiniHerc:

As long as the summons have a limited duration, I will not waste my time with them.

So dont, its pretty simple.

[Diarmuhnd]

I've played Summoner since getting access. Mainly just murder-hobbo'd every hostile as I explored for resources and fished. Its grindy but just 'happened' as I played. I figured I could have cheesed summoner skill progression with an afk farm but didn't bother.

The summoner felt adequate in the early game and got stronger as better summoning gear was found. Of course using food + buffs really made it shine. Wasn't even using a mage necklace or rings for ages. With the food I could focus on mining and etc and not feel underpowered for clearing mobs.

Letting the summons fight while I planted bombs or used that bouncy ball mage staff. And paired that with the Prince Slime pet, it packs a punch and pushes enemies back.

All the boss fights and creature spawns so far have been easy.

This world is a Hard world gen. But not Hardcore, I've died plenty, lol