Which faction is overpowered?

[Bo Hai]

It gives me the feeling that NATO had better S tier divisions (3rd armor 11E 8th Infantry 5thPanzer) with better tanks and better air planes. PACT, by contrast, had more mediocre-ish divisions. Is that feeling right? Or am I just using the PACT in the wrong way?

[Amormaliar]

Originally posted by b4ry:

Originally posted by Amormaliar:

In the previous patch NATO had x2 or even x3 higher win-rate and pick-rate than Pact

Where can I see this data?

Posts on Reddit with statistics from previous tournaments

Originally posted by boi:

I don't think there are enough raw games played by individual players for those stats to really matter a whole lot. A huge percentage of games are team games, do those count to the score? Because in a 4v4 can you even make that judgement call that one players' division "won" ?

Such games don’t matter at all. Majority of player-base don’t know half of basic mechanics. And skill-gap is pretty big - big enough that I can pick the weakest div in the whole game and still be on first places in some team-game with casuals. Best tournament players probably can win such team-games solo.
So stats from casual players don’t matter at all and completely useless. At most it shows how easy or hard to play particular division. It’s also possible to abuse some combinations of weak divs to win some team-games against random players - still don’t make bad divs any better because of this.
So if you want objective analysis of div performance - there’s stats on Reddit from tournaments, with all relevant numbers

[Ahriman]

Originally posted by Amormaliar:

So if you want objective analysis of div performance - there’s stats on Reddit from tournaments, with all relevant numbers

So Nato performs well, especially against itself, in 1v1 environment. That leaves with 3 core game modes, which also tend to be considered as part of the balancing process. Eugen has said it a dozen times by now, and it isn't to anyone's surprise, that AB Divisions dominate 1v1 scene. It is the exact same problem that SD has, where people only focus on one bracket and ignore the wider picture.

In SD, Axis tends to get dominated when there are more players present, Allies tend to dominate when there are less. Something tells me that the numbers start aligning very quickly when we compare Nato vs Pact balance. Much like 10v10, 1v1 is played by a small minority of the whole playerbase. While majority might be bad at the game, odds are the numbers of good players that play beyond 1v1 and under 10v10 outnumbers both groups, because that is where the main pull of the series has always been in, team coordination on a wider map.

[Rabidnid]

Yeah, NATO dominate in ranked at the moment. People who play pact do so because it is pact and not because it's the best pick for ranked. Team games and 10v10 are much closer to balanced.

NATO also has a lot of players would only play US and are incredibly bad which also flattens out the differences between the two sides.

[thupreem gent]

Originally posted by Amormaliar:

So if you want objective analysis of div performance - there’s stats on Reddit from tournaments, with all relevant numbers

I mean I don't really care that much. Just wanted to say that there isnt enough game data to verify anything based on public games. Which apparently was heard. Goooood.

[moyer4487]

in reality thats how it is. pact armor and ifv are not nearly as good as western armor or ifvs. also much of WP infantry is conscript with little to no training. unlike western militaries that have 9 week and longer basic training and 9 weeks or longer advanced training in their MOS and cocntinous training throughout their military careers. and most are all volunteer militaries with the exception of a few like germany if i remember correctly. but they still had a basic training and advanced training similar to all western armies of the time period.WP didnt do that either. the quality of the average pact soldier vs western soldiers is poor at best. even today russia infantry is poorly trained conscripts and the training they get in armor is 2 weeks. when i was a cav scout i had 9 weeks of training with considerable time operating a bradley and tactics with one. when i got to my unit that training continued with tatctics, gunnery, operating with 2 or more other bradleys and operating with armor. the russsians don't do that and WP did not do that either. at least not to the level we did.