Holy sh|t KOF's input is difficult

[Mr.I]

I come from the Guilty Gear faction (1000+ hours in GGST). I got the game (my first KOF game) on sale. And I find myself struggling in inputting the basic stuffs, like canceling a special into a super, or even simply mashing a DP.

It seems that KOF requires extremely precise motion input. If a move requires 236 motion then 26 is never accepted, if a move requires 2141236 input then 24236 is never accepted which means that I must not release the first button before I press down the second button. It's a pain in the ass to input climax on hitbox/keyboard. And I personally dislike arcade sticks, any suggestions?

[BadGuy`9999]

I used the keyboard all my life and I have played KOF all my life, the keyboard gives you a certain advantage in speed of execution but it does require much more practice and maybe it will cost you more to learn KOF than with an arcade stick, use the w-a-s-d keys better for movement and in kof xv the execution is extremely easier so it is the best game for kof beginners so good luck.........Although if you have the possibility of switching to an arcade stick, I would recommend it. Once you get used to it, the learning is faster.⚡

[Mr.I]

I prefer keyboard too. And KOF provides very good keyboard support, it feels pretty good to play this game with a keyboard.

I just found out that KOF allows the player to input very slowly, I inputted 2141236 in half a second and the climax can still come out. Guess I'll just have to calm myself down during fighting and everything will be fine.

[Dgo]

I used to play classical kof directly on the arcade machines. Then with a keyboard via kaillera and everything felt precise.
Now in regards with XV I use a 360 controller which is not the best but still manageable.
I can just recommend you to practice, practice and you will eventually get used to kof timings. And if you are planning in getting a new device I'd personally go for a mixbox if I could afford it right now.

[Mr.I]

Yeah, I need a lot of practice. I think I'll need at least 50 hours to get used to KOF and hopefully I will still be able to play Guilty Gear after that.

As for controller, I'm pretty sure I'll stick with my keyboard. It's just a hitbox, but extremely customizable. Plus, KOF XV's keyboard support is really good.

[Mr.I]

Alright, an error occurred, for a few hundreds of times. Guess that's the end of my KOF journey.

[CRAZY DAVE [dennys grand slam]]

some of the cancel windows are really long, others are super short.

[josealb77]

Originally posted by Mr.I:

Alright, an error occurred, for a few hundreds of times. Guess that's the end of my KOF journey.

This is THE REAL thing.

KOF needs precise inputs, narrow windows sometimes, one diagonal "supposedly" missed and the super does not come out... Which is frustrating wheter you come from any other Fighting Game or not. But you say "I don't know why, but I accept this grinding course. I don't know why, but now I'm into it". Then you go to online, where you can practice what you have grinded and where it is supposed to be the fun of your effort, and what do you get??? "An error occurred" hundreds of times. 50 ms connections that when you play becomes 250 ms and high rollback fames. Incredible lags. Long times without matches. Matches against ranks 12 that plays like INMORTALS because they play room matches. Having to reboot the game. Disconnections with penalties FOR YOU. And random Unreal Engine's crashes.

Who is going to "play" with this??? Which kind of people is going to stick to this and being able to find the fun having docens of alternatives that works well???

Good shot on you own foot SNK. And with this one there are... enough to give up on you.

[Mr.I]

Originally posted by josealb77:

Originally posted by Mr.I:

Alright, an error occurred, for a few hundreds of times. Guess that's the end of my KOF journey.

This is THE REAL thing.

KOF needs precise inputs, narrow windows sometimes, one diagonal "supposedly" missed and the super does not come out... Which is frustrating wheter you come from any other Fighting Game or not. But you say "I don't know why, but I accept this grinding course. I don't know why, but now I'm into it". Then you go to online, where you can practice what you have grinded and where it is supposed to be the fun of your effort, and what do you get??? "An error occurred" hundreds of times. 50 ms connections that when you play becomes 250 ms and high rollback fames. Incredible lags. Long times without matches. Matches against ranks 12 that plays like INMORTALS because they play room matches. Having to reboot the game. Disconnections with penalties FOR YOU. And random Unreal Engine's crashes.

Who is going to "play" with this??? Which kind of people is going to stick to this and being able to find the fun having docens of alternatives that works well???

Good shot on you own foot SNK. And with this one there are... enough to give up on you.

Exactly what happened to me. I'm an experienced fighting game player who wants to try out another renowned fighting game franchise. The difficult input is not a big obstacle to me, I can overcome it with not much effort. And what happens next is absolutely unacceptable. Error during matchmaking, again over again. I spent about an hour to find one single match. Although the game runs smoothly once I get into a match, the process of finding a match is just unbearable.

And of course as everyone would do, I googled "kof xv an error occurred". And then, guess what I discovered? This stupid game uses your Windows region to determine which region you are assigned to, and you'll have to change your region in Windows' settings to choose the closest or a populated region. LMAO I don't even have Windows. How am I supposed to change my "Windows Region" in my "Windows Settings"? They can at least have a look on my IP address if they really are too lazy to make a "Server List" menu.

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All those BS aside, this game is really fun to watch though. I watch all the weekly TNS KOF XV tournaments. Now I'm going enjoy this game on Youtube just like before.

[Min Nohara]

You should've started the other way around.

Guilty Gear or basically any other ArcSystemWorks fighters (FighterZ i.e.) are basic af when it comes to input, they are literally button smashers. Frames? Precise input? What's that you say, lol. I'm not good at KOF, but Skull Girls is a pretty point to start off to learn all these kind of stuff.

AS FOR THE ONLINE ISSUES... SNK has never been known to make multiplayer games with stable connections. xD (KOF 2002 UM, I SEE YOU)

[Mr.I]

Originally posted by Min Nohara:

Guilty Gear or basically any other ArcSystemWorks fighters (FighterZ i.e.) are basic af when it comes to input, they are literally button smashers. Frames? Precise input? What's that you say, lol. I'm not good at KOF, but Skull Girls is a pretty point to start off to learn all these kind of stuff.

You offend me.

If you really want to start an argument, you should at least know that things like "Option Select" and "Kara" are universal things that exist in basically every single Japanese fighting game and they usually require both precise motion and precise timing. There're plenty of 2 frame input windows in Guilty Gear games too. Either you don't know this kind of things or you're just a low level gorilla player who knows nothing but button mashing. The fact you're not good at KOF makes a lot of sense to me.

It doesn't matter which game you play, you don't get into high rank without knowing frame data. I read KOF XV's frame data even before I buy this game, only to understand what those KOF players doing in Youtube videos.

[BadGuy`9999]

I love Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R and that game is much better than this new snk game,in ggacent core, you need a level to play,not everyone makes combos,in this game(KOF XV) you only put a character with a normal dumb blow and you already won by connecting a cheap combo with absurd amount of damage, for me the worst of the saga.If you want to experience what KOF is really like, play KOF 98 or KOF 2002UM this is my favorite

[Kerby]

Originally posted by S'9999:

I love Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R and that game is much better than this new snk game,in ggacent core, you need a level to play,not everyone makes combos,in this game(KOF XV) you only put a character with a normal dumb blow and you already won by connecting a cheap combo with absurd amount of damage, for me the worst of the saga.If you want to experience what KOF is really like, play KOF 98 or KOF 2002UM this is my favorite

Yeah, no one ever dies in a single, cheap combo in 98 or 02 or any other KoF game lmao

You know, it's fine not to remember how old SNK fighting games work, but you can look this stuff up so easily. It's making you guys look silly to keep bringing up how much different older KoF games are...

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Kerby:

Yeah, no one ever dies in a single, cheap combo in 98 or 02 or any other KoF game lmao

You know, it's fine not to remember how old SNK fighting games work, but you can look this stuff up so easily. It's making you guys look silly to keep bringing up how much different older KoF games are...

Agreed plus he loves to spam the forum with nonsense threads.

[K9999]

Check out some Justin Wong KOF Combo Trials on Youtube.