I was just wondering...

[SaturnMeteor]

When is OROCHI coming back as a super boss ? I feel the game would be incomplete if he didn't.

[Captain Nobody]

I don't know if he will, to be honest. He was confirmed revived at the end of the last game, only to be killed immediately by the Sacred Treasures Team. Then again, Orochi can't truly be killed from what I understand from the lore. Just put back to rest.

I kind of hope we DO get to take a crack at him again. Especially if he's at least as tough as Goenitz in this. His AI in '97 wasn't all that great, but his moves were scary! '98UM was better, but I still struggled more with Omega Rugal. Orochi definitely deserves another chance!

[Sahaj]

wasn't he sealed immediately?

[Dgo]

There is no certainty that we will have Orochi in the roster. There's a lot to say about this like that he's sealed and therefore it would make no sense for the canon if he comes. OTOH if they consider that mode just as a non canon addition and don't care they could bring him in.
And from what I read yes, he can't be killed. He's a sort of celestial entity at the level of an immortal god. Sealed as much.

[SaturnMeteor]

Goenitz's presence has nothing consitant to the lore if I'm not mistaking so, it would just be a bonus as the Orochi saga's main figures to be back for fun like dream or nightmare matches from SNK such as Ryo Sakazaki as secret boss in Fatal Fury Special or Nightmare Geese in the late 2D Fatal Fury games. As most of the important vilains from Orochi Saga are already there my point is that Orochi's absence is regrettable. I would personally think he should be added to the super bosses in XV.

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

Goenitz's presence has nothing consitant to the lore if I'm not mistaking so, it would just be a bonus as the Orochi saga's main figures to be back for fun like dream or nightmare matches from SNK such as Ryo Sakazaki as secret boss in Fatal Fury Special or Nightmare Geese in the late 2D Fatal Fury games. As most of the important vilains from Orochi Saga are already there my point is that Orochi's absence is regrettable. I would personally think he should be added to the super bosses in XV.

Yes, you are mistaken. He has EVERYTHING to do with lore. He's even in the Orochi team's ending.

[SaturnMeteor]

Originally posted by Dgo:

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

Goenitz's presence has nothing consitant to the lore if I'm not mistaking so, it would just be a bonus as the Orochi saga's main figures to be back for fun like dream or nightmare matches from SNK such as Ryo Sakazaki as secret boss in Fatal Fury Special or Nightmare Geese in the late 2D Fatal Fury games. As most of the important vilains from Orochi Saga are already there my point is that Orochi's absence is regrettable. I would personally think he should be added to the super bosses in XV.

Yes, you are mistaken. He has EVERYTHING to do with lore. He's even in the Orochi team's ending.

@Dgo
Are we talking of Goenitz ? Hum, in which ending is he ? I don't think he's resurected. He's supposed to be dead. As for Orochi yes he is in endings as a failed attempt of resurection but that doesn't mean he could not come back as a super boss at his apex. That's what I meant.

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

@Dgo
Are we talking of Goenitz ? Hum, in which ending is he ? I don't think he's resurected. He's supposed to be dead. As for Orochi yes he is in endings as a failed attempt of resurection but that doesn't mean he could not come back as a super boss at his apex. That's what I meant.

Mate you have NO CLUE about the lore. He's been officially resurrected since the end of KoFXIV with Verse's defeat and he was interacting with mortals long before that anyways.
You don't even read my replies. He's on Awakened Orochi team's ending. He's one of the 4 Heavenly Kings. They were all "resurrected" at the same time.
And Orochi is sealed not dead. Orochi is a deity he can't really die. It's a whole another thing.

[Fideo]

...It's sad to play KoF from 2k2 (and also having played the previous ones, although after 2k2) and haven't the slightest idea of the game's plot... although it certainly hasn't stopped me from fully enjoying the games.
Not even the story of my favorite team, krohnen (K9999), Angel and Kula, they look like they came from a laboratory.

I have to look on YouTube for someone who explains the argument completely and in detail.

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Fideo:

...It's sad to play KoF from 2k2 (and also having played the previous ones, although after 2k2) and haven't the slightest idea of the game's plot... although it certainly hasn't stopped me from fully enjoying the games.
Not even the story of my favorite team, krohnen (K9999), Angel and Kula, they look like they came from a laboratory.

I have to look on YouTube for someone who explains the argument completely and in detail.

You can start watching their official endings. You must check official sources and beware that there are many incorrect translations and also fake data like some people believing Robert is Mexican when he's Italian, Leona's birthplace is unknown when Clark and Ralf are American but many people believe they are all Brazilian. That's because first KoF teams represented countries (fortunatelly they changed that). Also there were a lot of fake and incorrect data on their wikis. Dunno if those were corrected.

[SaturnMeteor]

I think Robert is spanish, not italian. Garcia is definitly a spanish name not an italian one.
Wikipedia says:
"Garcia, Gartzia or García is an Iberian surname common throughout Spain, Portugal, Andorra, the Americas, and the Philippines. It is a surname of patronymic origin; García was a very common first name in early medieval Iberia."

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

I think Robert is spanish, not italian. Garcia is definitly a spanish name not an italian one.
Wikipedia says:
"Garcia, Gartzia or García is an Iberian surname common throughout Spain, Portugal, Andorra, the Americas, and the Philippines. It is a surname of patronymic origin; García was a very common first name in early medieval Iberia."

Why you keep insisting with stuff you simply ignore and don't understand? Especially with pseudo-arguments like "I think". There is no "I think" here. We talk about lore and SNK is in charge of that, not you.

SNK has stated officially on its webpage that he is Italian.

Robert Garcia

Also you are using a fallacy to express your ignorance. Garcia MAY BE from Spanish ancestry. HOWEVER people migrate. You have Garcias on USA, Brazil, Africa, etc.
People are not still stones that keep on the ground forever. People move, mix with another people, join and form couples with other ethnicities and give birth to new mixes, etc.

Bruce Lee tells you something? Chinese right? Wrong. He was American with Chinese ancestry.

you would be surprised to see all kind of surnames from ALL THE world we have in my and other countries.
Mate I get that you don't know about the lore. That's fine but do not try to go against sources especially with speculation, you will simply lose.

[SaturnMeteor]

Originally posted by Dgo:

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

I think Robert is spanish, not italian. Garcia is definitly a spanish name not an italian one.
Wikipedia says:
"Garcia, Gartzia or García is an Iberian surname common throughout Spain, Portugal, Andorra, the Americas, and the Philippines. It is a surname of patronymic origin; García was a very common first name in early medieval Iberia."

Why you keep insisting with stuff you simply ignore and don't understand? Especially with pseudo-arguments like "I think". There is no "I think" here. We talk about lore and SNK is in charge of that, not you.

SNK has stated officially on its webpage that he is Italian.

Robert Garcia

Also you are using a fallacy to express your ignorance. Garcia MAY BE from Spanish ancestry. HOWEVER people migrate. You have Garcias on USA, Brazil, Africa, etc.
People are not still stones that keep on the ground forever. People move, mix with another people, join and form couples with other ethnicities and give birth to new mixes, etc.

Bruce Lee tells you something? Chinese right? Wrong. He was American with Chinese ancestry.

:maxout::lolo: you would be surprised to see all kind of surnames from ALL THE world we have in my and other countries.
Mate I get that you don't know about the lore. That's fine but do not try to go against sources especially with speculation, you will simply lose.

Yeaa yeaa yeaa whatever, everything since art of fighting made me think of spanish origins so I never checked closely. It's not the end of the world dude, calm down.

PS: Lee Pai Long is taïwanese, Joe Higashi despite using muay thai is Japanese.
And you probably gona tell me you already knew Mr. Big was Australian ?

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

Yeaa yeaa yeaa whatever, everything since art of fighting made me think of spanish origins so I never checked closely. It's not the end of the world dude, calm down.

Is that a kind of argument or excuse? How do you know I'm not calmed? And no, it's not the end of the world you just need to stop acting as if you knew and claim what you actually ignore. Start playing the game or even start reading their bio before guessing.

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

PS: Lee Pai Long is taïwanese, Joe Higashi despite using muay thai is Japanese.
And you probably gona tell me you already knew Mr. Big was Australian ?

Joe Higashi with his JAPANESE flag on his forehead is A BIT HARD to even doubt that he has always been Japanese
King is a muay thai fighter too but she's French. (You can practice karate but that doesn't turn you Japanese)
Yes, Lee P.L. is Taiwanese, finally you got one right.
No, Mr. Big's origin is unknown.

[SaturnMeteor]

Alright I've seen a website that gives the australian flag for him then show me the source that says unknown for Mr. Big.
Calmed down ? No you're not, you continue to talk like an oversensitive sissy at every mistake I make. Again, not the end of the world and yea I am aware this is a fanmade website not a direct source just in case, lol.

https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Big

Originally posted by Dgo:

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

No, Mr. Big's origin is unknown. :TryAgain:

[Dgo]

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

Alright I've seen a website that gives the australian flag for him then show me the source that says unknown for Mr. Big.

As I've told the other person you must always go for OFFICIAL sources. Not "fanmade" speculation.

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

Calmed down ? No you're not, you continue to talk like an oversensitive sissy at every mistake I make. Again, not the end of the world and yea I am aware this is a fanmade website not a direct source just in case, lol.

Completely false and irrelevant. But EVEN If I were "not calmed down" I've been right the whole time against your plain stubbornness and speculation. Perhaps you need to start talking with arguments and stop complaining with childish excuses like my "mood" that don't change results

Originally posted by Hezdretchguvevallhartu:

https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Big

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2300840577196482682/A6EE39BD2D3916312A090E1E0A5C663F8F203CDF/
Maybe do your research next time? So I don't need to correct you again that X char is not from LALA land