They nerfed ninjas?

[Lucyfar]

I used to play Denam as a ninja in the PSP version with dual katana but now i'm using Terror Knight Denam and it's waaay stronger overall

I see that ninjas are more of a hybrid class now, they nerfed their melee damage so you can't burst anyone anymore with dual attacks but now you have useful spells/ninjutsu

it's weird but it makes sense

Terror Knight Denam is godbless now tho but i miss Ninja Denam deleting most units

[XcessiveNinja17]

ninja are still great, especially with auto-stuntouch, they just don't penetrate armor as well anymore

[Black Hammer]

They evened up the classes quite a bit. Stuff like archer got the hammer, while terror knight is good now.

[GrandMajora]

In my personal experience, Vyce as a Ranger seems to hit WAY harder with dual wielding than the Ninja does. Unfortunately, you can only get Vyce as a permanent party member if you're on the Lawful route, and not until chapter 3.

[knockoffsoda]

Vyce is also a unique character--they tend to be better overall. I just got him and Arycell a while back, and she's finally making Archer a usable class again (had literally just dropped my last one from the party for another Warlock).

[Lucyfar]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

In my personal experience, Vyce as a Ranger seems to hit WAY harder with dual wielding than the Ninja does. Unfortunately, you can only get Vyce as a permanent party member if you're on the Lawful route, and not until chapter 3.

yep i can confirm that, my Vyce is doing monstruous damage with dual dagger

Originally posted by knockoffsoda:

Vyce is also a unique character--they tend to be better overall. I just got him and Arycell a while back, and she's finally making Archer a usable class again (had literally just dropped my last one from the party for another Warlock).

true, i dropped Sara very early but now with Arycelle archer is good again, i also recruited the Necromancer from the Xeobos boss fight so i have one of the best spellcasters

[joaocarlos.ak472]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/yolulutv:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

In my personal experience, Vyce as a Ranger seems to hit WAY harder with dual wielding than the Ninja does. Unfortunately, you can only get Vyce as a permanent party member if you're on the Lawful route, and not until chapter 3.

yep i can confirm that, my Vyce is doing monstruous damage with dual dagger

Originally posted by knockoffsoda:

Vyce is also a unique character--they tend to be better overall. I just got him and Arycell a while back, and she's finally making Archer a usable class again (had literally just dropped my last one from the party for another Warlock).

true, i dropped Sara very early but now with Arycelle archer is good again, i also recruited the Necromancer from the Xeobos boss fight so i have one of the best spellcasters

Arycelle is good to keep as a archer them? I almost made her a ninja

[Grumpy Old Guy]

When they rebalanced the classes they made some changes.

Ninjas and Archers are flanking units, they're meant to kill other archers and magic using classes, not go full on into plate wearing knights.

The new "archer" level of borked in my experience are the rune fencers and terror knights. Most things in the game are strong against physical attacks or magic but not both so being able to attack with both makes it so you always have some form of workable damage and the Terror Knight fear AOE is just stupid good. Debuff their damage and their defense in an area for free? Yes please.

Also if you haven't used a dragoon yet I'd give it a shot. Previously their dragonkiller ability just did some bonus damage. I got Jeunan and used it, at level 19 that dude hit for 1500 damage on a dragon with that skill and just instantly deleted it.

[Black Hammer]

Vyce used to only be a -5 WT, so while better than a generic, he's in the lower half of uniques.

[Pickleton]

Originally posted by joaocarlos.ak472:

Originally posted by twitch.tv/yolulutv:

yep i can confirm that, my Vyce is doing monstruous damage with dual dagger



true, i dropped Sara very early but now with Arycelle archer is good again, i also recruited the Necromancer from the Xeobos boss fight so i have one of the best spellcasters

Arycelle is good to keep as a archer them? I almost made her a ninja

Well her bonus stats are geared towards archers, but they are a high dex class, just like ninjas.
She'd probably make a good ninja with an archer sprite, which is always funny.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/yolulutv:

yep i can confirm that, my Vyce is doing monstruous damage with dual dagger

Mine has a pair of one handed swords, and he's dealing roughly 200 something damage with each swing.

[Sardorim]

Ninja still good.

Their Auto Silence also works with Blowguns despite saying it shouldn't.

Really, really good at neutering enemy casters.

[Lucyfar]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Mine has a pair of one handed swords, and he's dealing roughly 200 something damage with each swing.

try it with daggers, dagger has lower RT he will be acting faster, the dmg is almost the same

Originally posted by joaocarlos.ak472:

Arycelle is good to keep as a archer them? I almost made her a ninja

i think she's good as an archer, focus on using her to kill other archers and spellcasters, you can also try to make her a Rogue with ranged weapon and Quickstar, haven't unlocked rogue yet so didn't tested but it should work too

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/yolulutv:

try it with daggers, dagger has lower RT he will be acting faster, the dmg is almost the same

Not sure that's necessary? The two White Knights I got in my party both have an auto skill which reduces the RT of all my allies within a large area by 35 when it pops off.

[Lucyfar]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by twitch.tv/yolulutv:

try it with daggers, dagger has lower RT he will be acting faster, the dmg is almost the same

Not sure that's necessary? The two White Knights I got in my party both have an auto skill which reduces the RT of all my allies within a large area by 35 when it pops off.

i changed Ravness into White Knight so i have 3 guys popping the RT skill + the lesser RT of daggers, my Vyce is a literal monster on the battlefield, sometimes he attacks someone, and gets to attack the same person again before them lol

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/yolulutv:

i changed Ravness into White Knight so i have 3 guys popping the RT skill + the lesser RT of daggers, my Vyce is a literal monster on the battlefield, sometimes he attacks someone, and gets to attack the same person again before them lol

Wait, is White Knight not a unique class? Because if not, then I got a regular Knight I need to change so I can triple down on this skill!