Friendly reminder that Steam is a DRM in itself

[Cronofear]

And just like you're doing your part by leaving a bad review to this game. You do something similar to own Valve. Don't be hypocritical. Do your part.

[Shoah Kahn]

Steam "DRM":
- allows one to play offline
- has no install limit
- does not "phone home" / collect data
- does not install rootkits
- is simply the Steam front-end that serves many more purposes than just a mild DRM

[BEEP!]

Originally posted by Cronofear:

Originally posted by 1080puktra:

Why are you changing the subject also I gave you the exact percentages of usage for 2023.
Why should they continue to keep supporting a OS's that's dead that only 0.21% of the population use it's not Valves fault that people refuse to upgrade.

Your numbers are wrong btw, W7 it's 0.68%. Get your facts right. And your argument could be applied to any system that is the minority, like Linux. I paid for the games when the platforms were supported, that's all I need to know.

O my bad I misread and mislabeled the wrong % it's 1.43% with W7&8 combined to
MacOSX-1.63% which is still supported and getting updates.
Linux-1.97% which is still supported and getting updates.
W7&8 aren't even getting the basic security updates anymore so there a security risk that just get's worse as time goes on.
But then again you said you don't care because you don't use them so why do you care.

And no the argument can't be applied to any OS because the FACT is W7 & 8 are NO longer supported and are dead.

[BEEP!]

Originally posted by Shoah Kahn:

Steam "DRM":
- allows one to play offline
- has no install limit
- does not "phone home" / collect data
- does not install rootkits
- is simply the Steam front-end that serves many more purposes than just a mild DRM

And the Steam DRM does a single check on the system and once it's check is done on that system it never does it again, it does this with every game you install,.
Until you log onto another system then it'l ask for another check and this check will be valid years down the line even if that PC never went online again and you only launch steam with offline mode.
All it needs is that single online check then your good to go even if you never connect that PC online again for the next 20years you can still play that game with offline mode.
PS. I also think it does another check if you uninstall a game and then choose to reinstall the game but to do so you have to be online so of course that doesn't really matter much.

For example I have a laptop that hasn't been online for 6 or 7years because the online feature is broken but I can still run steam in offline mode and still play any game installed that doesn't require a internet serves.

[Laughing kookaburra]

how much is capcom paying you guys ? can i apply for the job too ? please ?

[Ricky]

This post is like how a monster must feel when someone hits a flash fly.

[Venerable Pooh]

Originally posted by Laughing kookaburra:

how much is capcom paying you guys ? can i apply for the job too ? please:summer2019corgi: ?

The saddest part is that they don't have to. People make simping for corporations that hold them in contempt such a big part of their personality that they'll do it for free.

[Dank Sidious]

Stop spreading misinformation. Steam is not DRM. Steam comes with Steam DRM which developers/publishers can use if they want to. It is completely optional and while most Companies opt to use it. Some don't.

There are games on steam that can be downloaded to your PC with steam and then played on that PC without ever launching steam again. BG3 is such a game for example.

[Jin]

Originally posted by Helloween:

What aboutism and false equivalence fallacy

A fallacy, is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning in the construction of an argument that may appear to be well-reasoned if unnoticed.

Your argument is invalid, steam being drm should be the only drm to endure, having to swallow extra layers of DRM is not ok and it doesn't make enigma right or valid or justified also not all drm's do the same or have the same consequences, purpose etc, again, your argument is faulty reasoning.

Correct, if this reasoning would be valid, we could even say that using Windows is a form of DRM already, since you need to activate it online.

[GOL DEN ROD]

Originally posted by Cronofear:

Originally posted by DrakEmono:

You know that there are several DRMs and that they are all different, right? Unless you prove me otherwise, Valve's DRM doesn't prevent players from modding every steam's games, and they don't prevent them from playing those games from their steam decks.

Neither does Enigma. Mods are still working and the Steam Deck situation is clearly unintended.

Not entirely correct. To my knowledge, Obsidium is at fault for the Steam Deck situation, but Enigma is basically a carbon copy of existing anti debugging, anti tamper DRM but much, MUCH shadier. The company that sells it seems to be a shell company and hides its website's whois info behind a proxy service for example. I will be completely honest, I actually preferred Denuvo because they're at the very least a well known and trustworthy company when it comes to DRM, and I generally dislike DRM that is kept on a title for longer than necessary to achieve sales numbers.

[fabio.capela]

Originally posted by 1080puktra:

Originally posted by Shoah Kahn:

Steam "DRM":
- allows one to play offline
- has no install limit
- does not "phone home" / collect data
- does not install rootkits
- is simply the Steam front-end that serves many more purposes than just a mild DRM

And the Steam DRM does a single check on the system and once it's check is done on that system it never does it again, it does this with every game you install,.
Until you log onto another system then it'l ask for another check and this check will be valid years down the line even if that PC never went online again and you only launch steam with offline mode.
All it needs is that single online check then your good to go even if you never connect that PC online again for the next 20years you can still play that game with offline mode.
PS. I also think it does another check if you uninstall a game and then choose to reinstall the game but to do so you have to be online so of course that doesn't really matter much.

For example I have a laptop that hasn't been online for 6 or 7years because the online feature is broken but I can still run steam in offline mode and still play any game installed that doesn't require a internet serves.

The exception is games you don't own and are only allowed to play due to family sharing; for those you need to be online any time you play them. But then, without family sharing you would be unable to play games you don't won at all, so it's still a net positive.

My reason for liking Steam DRM is that it's not much of a DRM; it's barely more effective than just adding a note asking players to please not pirate it and can be broken in 5 minutes using off-the-shelf tools if you know what you are doing. Due to that I treat games that have only the Steam DRM as if they were DRM-free (though I still prefer when the game is truly DRM-free). Which, BTW, helps me a lot when purchasing things because I only ever purchase a game that either is DRM-free or has been properly cracked.

[DrakEmono]

Originally posted by Cronofear:

Originally posted by 1080puktra:

...and why should Valve continue to keep updating on a platform that's less than 1% of the population.

Both Linux users and Steam deck users are less than 1% of the population. Why indeed.

Source?

[DrakEmono]

Originally posted by Cronofear:

Originally posted by DrakEmono:

You know that there are several DRMs and that they are all different, right? Unless you prove me otherwise, Valve's DRM doesn't prevent players from modding every steam's games, and they don't prevent them from playing those games from their steam decks.

Neither does Enigma. Mods are still working and the Steam Deck situation is clearly unintended.

No matter if those statements are true or not, I just gave 2 examples, as you didn't give a counter argument to the fact that every DRMs is different and those shouldn't even exist.

[BEEP!]

Originally posted by DrakEmono:

Originally posted by Cronofear:

Both Linux users and Steam deck users are less than 1% of the population. Why indeed.

Source?

There source is they made it the ♥♥♥♥ up lol.

[Kaldaien]

Steam doesn't morph into a completely different DRM scheme after you buy your product. The worst thing Steam does is potentially add non-working Steam Input to a game, requiring you to buy another copy on a different store, but that's very rare.

To up and change the entire DRM scheme after purchase and after refund eligibility is up, is ridiculous. Bait and switch.

[CheeseBoar]

1) Steam is not inherently DRM. Steam has DRM features that can optionally be used by developers, and a bunch of games on Steam are completely DRM-free.

2) Steam DRM doesn't automatically work the same way as other DRM, and they can't be compared. Not all DRM is made equally.

3) The DRM that people are complaining about was added after a bunch of people had already bought the game. This is the same situation as Enigma being added to titles like Resident Evil Remake and Mega Man Zero/ZX Legacy Collection. DRM should be removed, never added.