Scramblecoin unfairly difficult?

[The Mun]

I feel that letting the villagers have access to every piece for Scramblecoin from the start is a poor idea- it makes them have access to better pieces than you do starting out, almost always resulting in a loss. I feel as though having them be able to use the same pieces you have unlocked would make it more fair to the player and not have them stuck in a loss loop until they unlock the good pieces.

[kitsuneblue]

i don't know, i think they just need to make it more clear what rank the game characters are before you challenge them, most games have characters you can't beat right away but having it be so hard to tell who has high level pieces can be an issue

[joysnodot]

I have yet to win once. It is very frustrating. I'm not very good at chess or checkers.

[Tygress]

I think it's more unfair that every game ends as follows:
- You have to make your final move with what ever crap coins are left on the board and try to get whatever you can, which amounts to maybe like 2 or 3 silver if you're lucky... and you might still be ahead by maybe 5 coins and you're thinking "yeah, finally going to win!".
- Then a new butt load of coins spawn, including several gold ones.
- NOW the opponent gets their last turn where the board is just covered in coins and all they really have to do is sneeze and collect 10 coins+.
- You lose.

[Mr. Bufferlow]

Scramblecoin must be something DLC specific. Never seen it in the normal valley.

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Mr. Bufferlow:

Scramblecoin must be something DLC specific. Never seen it in the normal valley.

Yes, its a minigame added in the DLC. You can play with the various villagers - they each have their specific team of 5 pieces (based on villagers & other Disney characters), you build a team out of what you've unlocked. All you get from playing it (besides 'fun'), is unlocking more game pieces, fulfilling "Win Scramblecoin" Duties, and a bit of friend XP.


edit: my record is something like 9/9/4. The number of draws is a guess, the only two definite numbers I know from achievements is 9 wins & 21 games. /shrug

[UKSharon]

I wish you could turn off the mini game, i really do not want to play it and it looks terrible the icon of a chess board above every villages head !

[leannethesimsgirl]

Originally posted by The Mun:

I feel that letting the villagers have access to every piece for Scramblecoin from the start is a poor idea- it makes them have access to better pieces than you do starting out, almost always resulting in a loss. I feel as though having them be able to use the same pieces you have unlocked would make it more fair to the player and not have them stuck in a loss loop until they unlock the good pieces.

Funny. I just wrote a discussion about this, and you're right! I couldn't agree more. They need to not make it a requirement for a quest, like instead of winning a game, just play 1 game of it. Not everyone knows how to play chess. I've had to ask my husband to help me out with it (he can play chess and is quite good) but other people might not have that help, or live alone with no one to help them. It's highly unfair, I think they should have made it an online thing, where instead of a computer it's another person by random who is also playing, with basic pieces so there is no cheating.

[kitsuneblue]

Originally posted by leannethesimsgirl:

Originally posted by The Mun:

I feel that letting the villagers have access to every piece for Scramblecoin from the start is a poor idea- it makes them have access to better pieces than you do starting out, almost always resulting in a loss. I feel as though having them be able to use the same pieces you have unlocked would make it more fair to the player and not have them stuck in a loss loop until they unlock the good pieces.

Funny. I just wrote a discussion about this, and you're right! I couldn't agree more. They need to not make it a requirement for a quest, like instead of winning a game, just play 1 game of it. Not everyone knows how to play chess. I've had to ask my husband to help me out with it (he can play chess and is quite good) but other people might not have that help, or live alone with no one to help them. It's highly unfair, I think they should have made it an online thing, where instead of a computer it's another person by random who is also playing, with basic pieces so there is no cheating.

i played it over and over against him getting 1 point per defeat till the game gave me a new piece that helped me beat him. it isn't chess it is a new game. it has zero in common with chess. chess is just advanced checkers. you both line up your pieces and each piece has rules, you take turns moving 1 piece at a time and take other pieces till you are able to take the king. this game you don't take eachothers pieces you collect coins, the placing of pieces is completely different to. knowing chess won't help win this game.

[Mr. Bufferlow]

Welcome to EA2 of DDV. It is no longer Experimental... it is just goofy- sorry Goofy!

[wesnef]

I don't see it as "the villagers have access to every piece", because each villager (as far as I've seen) only ever has access to a specific set of 5 - they don't change.
But what it *does* need is some kind of "easy/medium/hard" rating on each villager, so you can tell who has a tougher team before playing.

Originally posted by leannethesimsgirl:

It's highly unfair, I think they should have made it an online thing, where instead of a computer it's another person by random who is also playing

Ew, please no. No online PvP. :P

, with basic pieces so there is no cheating.

Maybe it's because I've played a lot of tabletop games & CCGs (I still have a weekly tabletop game night with IRL friends), or a lot of RPG minigames, but I don't see it as cheating. It's just some characters are tougher. /shrug


edit: and yeah, it's not remotely Chess. I'm lousy at Chess, but I'm pretty good at turn-based strategy games.

[Tilarta]

I said so elsewhere, this is just a way to put PvP into a non-combat game.
Imagine a player who does not play this game, thus not having all the pieces or the knowledge of how to play losing to a “max rank pro player”.

I thought it would be fun until I tried it because the daily demanded a win against Minnie Mouse.
3 fast defeats later and I exhausted my game quota.
She also kept swapping her pieces midgame, so I could not counter the new moves.

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Tilarta:

I thought it would be fun until I tried it because the daily demanded a win against Minnie Mouse.

I guess I just don't see the duties as "demands". If it pops up one that I don't feel like doing, I skip it. There'll always be new ones to replace the others I do. I moderately enjoy Scramblecoin, and I don't bother with the "Win vs <Villager>" duties.

She also kept swapping her pieces midgame, so I could not counter the new moves.

You can swap pieces midgame, too. I frequently swap in Goofy in the last couple turns, if I need him to grab gold coins.

[Tilarta]

When the reward is 500 Mist and I need every single quantity you can scavenge up, it's not a request anymore.
Especially considering how much Mist I need to finish my crafting or potentially craft multiple items.
Example, I just spent the majority of my Mist on this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3113134753
I also have to save 10,000 Mist to unlock a biome when I am ready to explore that area.

Yes, I could swap pieces, that was not a satisfactory experiment.
I only have 3 pieces that are good for gameplay, I tried the others and just lost harder.

[POMPOKO]

If you just need to win for a daily, go against goofy, he is the easiest character to win against in my opinion.
But I agree that it should not be "forced" upon people. I personally don't like the game, it is not really unfair, but you need to play against characters that are kinda on your level with their figurines, which the game doesn't tell you who is.

[kitsuneblue]

Originally posted by BarefootOnTheM00n:

If you just need to win for a daily, go against goofy, he is the easiest character to win against in my opinion.
But I agree that it should not be "forced" upon people. I personally don't like the game, it is not really unfair, but you need to play against characters that are kinda on your level with their figurines, which the game doesn't tell you who is.

so pretty much everyone agrees they need to have some kind of "easy, mid, hard" rank on the characters that we can see