Give us option not to play against modern controls!

[Leander.quest]

Give us option not to play against modern controls! I hate such players...really.
Give me pros with classic all day and I am happy to lose, but not against players with easier inputs.

I am all about justice and fairness. Win or lose, it does not matter. But no kiddie mode! Then change the entire game to modern controls only...

I know modern deals 20% less for super arts etc., but sometimes I only crouch and press 2 buttons or do amazonian river run a couple of times and they cannot defend sh....buuuuut they can pull off a combo with super art at the end...with Cammy...always the same cheap combos which are easy with modern controls....

It's like starting a game of football, basketball or a board game and one player has an advantage of some goals, points etc...regardless of the outcome, I want to have EQUAL chances for all players!

Fighting against pros and losing big is something cool because I like how good they are with classic controls.
But as soon as I see a modern player I get angry right away and want to smash my controller against the wall....normally, I am not like that...

Normally, Capcom should give us the option to not fight against modern controls...
OR display the controls before a player starts. What's the purpose of the accept a fight setting when you don't see controls?

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Nguyên văn bởi Lysamus:

An alternative perspective to "justice and fairness" of Modern controls.

The idea of players having access to moves or options that other's don't isn't a new concept in fighting games. We called them "Grooves" in the Capcom vs SNK 2 days, although you might have heard them referred to as "Shadows," "Moons" or "Isms" more recently. However, even long before Grooves, there was a precursor term for this concept, arguably born alongside the fighting game genre as we've come to know it today.

That precursor term was "character." The character you picked granted you access to moves, options and, at times in some games, adjustments to base stats (Some characters have more or less health then others, bigger or smaller hurt boxes, etc). Similar to Modern, it created distinctions and fostered different play styles between players.

Also similar to Modern, they were never "fair." You will not find a fighting game in which every character is a 5/5 match-up against every other character (beyond the "Karate Champs" in the genre, of course). However, rather than attempt to correct this in service of "justice," fighting games leaned into these inequalities, and in so doing, broadened the viable pool of game plans and play styles. Instead of a game of 8 Ryus in SF2, we have a game of shotos, grapplers, zoners, etc, allowing more expression and greater variety of play, even if that expression results in some bad match-ups (poor Giefs when they run into a Guile in SF2).

In summary, Modern is an extension of the design ethos to foster player expression at the expense of making a fully "fair" game, and in forsaking fairness for that expression, enhances the game overall.

None of us truly want a fair fight in these games. What we actually want is to fight our way.

A nice write up but he ain’t reading all of that

He doesn’t care about any point made about modern being a non-issue. He’ll just say you’re arguing in bad faith and continue to stir ♥♥♥♥ because it’s just a troll bit at this point. He does this in literally every modern thread and he does it between two accounts (because the other’s banned rn)

He’ll keep dodging any challenge made to him or anyone asking him to post his CFN because, again, he just wants to stir ♥♥♥♥.

[Lysamus]

Nguyên văn bởi Danny DeVito with a Gun:

A nice write up but he ain’t reading all of that

He doesn’t care about any point made about modern being a non-issue. He’ll just say you’re arguing in bad faith and continue to stir ♥♥♥♥ because it’s just a troll bit at this point. He does this in literally every modern thread and he does it between two accounts (because the other’s banned rn)

He’ll keep dodging any challenge made to him or anyone asking him to post his CFN because, again, he just wants to stir ♥♥♥♥.

That's okay. I can't always reach the most vocal members of a message board, but maybe I'll reach someone who also feels they're struggling against Modern players and grappling with the idea of fairness.

For the TL:DR folk, all you really need is this -> None of us truly want a fair fight in these games. What we actually want is to fight our way.

[Modern=inferior loser pretender]

Long post no time to read it alI atm sorry. saw was grooves.. This is false equivalence. We are talking about main SF not party games also.

[Lysamus]

No worries if you don't have time. I too am addressing main SF games, along with all fighting games within the genre as we know it today.

[Geto]

Nguyên văn bởi Danny DeVito with a Gun:

Nguyên văn bởi Lysamus:

An alternative perspective to "justice and fairness" of Modern controls.

The idea of players having access to moves or options that other's don't isn't a new concept in fighting games. We called them "Grooves" in the Capcom vs SNK 2 days, although you might have heard them referred to as "Shadows," "Moons" or "Isms" more recently. However, even long before Grooves, there was a precursor term for this concept, arguably born alongside the fighting game genre as we've come to know it today.

That precursor term was "character." The character you picked granted you access to moves, options and, at times in some games, adjustments to base stats (Some characters have more or less health then others, bigger or smaller hurt boxes, etc). Similar to Modern, it created distinctions and fostered different play styles between players.

Also similar to Modern, they were never "fair." You will not find a fighting game in which every character is a 5/5 match-up against every other character (beyond the "Karate Champs" in the genre, of course). However, rather than attempt to correct this in service of "justice," fighting games leaned into these inequalities, and in so doing, broadened the viable pool of game plans and play styles. Instead of a game of 8 Ryus in SF2, we have a game of shotos, grapplers, zoners, etc, allowing more expression and greater variety of play, even if that expression results in some bad match-ups (poor Giefs when they run into a Guile in SF2).

In summary, Modern is an extension of the design ethos to foster player expression at the expense of making a fully "fair" game, and in forsaking fairness for that expression, enhances the game overall.

None of us truly want a fair fight in these games. What we actually want is to fight our way.

A nice write up but he ain’t reading all of that

He doesn’t care about any point made about modern being a non-issue. He’ll just say you’re arguing in bad faith and continue to stir ♥♥♥♥ because it’s just a troll bit at this point. He does this in literally every modern thread and he does it between two accounts (because the other’s banned rn)

He’ll keep dodging any challenge made to him or anyone asking him to post his CFN because, again, he just wants to stir ♥♥♥♥.

I swear im so interested what rank he is the way he talks about double perfecting moderns and so on he has to be 1900mr to justify all that talking 😭😂

[Everchosen]

Nguyên văn bởi Geto:

Nguyên văn bởi Danny DeVito with a Gun:

A nice write up but he ain’t reading all of that

He doesn’t care about any point made about modern being a non-issue. He’ll just say you’re arguing in bad faith and continue to stir ♥♥♥♥ because it’s just a troll bit at this point. He does this in literally every modern thread and he does it between two accounts (because the other’s banned rn)

He’ll keep dodging any challenge made to him or anyone asking him to post his CFN because, again, he just wants to stir ♥♥♥♥.

I swear im so interested what rank he is the way he talks about double perfecting moderns and so on he has to be 1900mr to justify all that talking 😭😂

For real, whenever someone pulls the old "The enemy is both strong and weak" card you know they are 100% full of ♥♥♥♥ and have no grasp of fundamental logic.

Dude is probably a hard stuck Kangaryu that is pissed their round start deep jump in is getting clapped by Modern players.

[Modern=inferior loser pretender]

Thanks for making this topic OP as you see the majority want that filter.

[Maverick]

Guys, let’s just play the game and have fun, like braindead idiots, not caring about meta or specifics. Fighting games are best enjoyed that way, imo.

[Nooneyouknow]

Nguyên văn bởi Daily Ritual Player:

“ but again -for the 10th time- you are missing the point:
No one cares if it is are weaker/stronger, or want anything to do with it. Majority of people using legit controls simply do not want ANYTHING to do with it. It's that simple, no discussion to be had. People want fair fights on equal grounds.”.

Sorry. You won’t change how the majority feel as evident by plethora of hate topics against cheap cheat controls even only here (and many more on elsewhere).

And no. It’s not equal grounds. Sorry. I explained it in simple terms previous post. Even you are contradicting yourself with the delusions that we legit players are on advantage here. Well if they are, then that means not equal grounds after all eh? 😎

The majority of people do not give a single flying ♥♥♥♥ about whether there is an M or C next to someone's name. Not even the majority of people who care about the game enough to post online care about it. The majority of players don't even care about wifi, because they themselves are on it.

[Modern=inferior loser pretender]

Nguyên văn bởi Nooneyouknow:

Nguyên văn bởi Daily Ritual Player:

“ but again -for the 10th time- you are missing the point:
No one cares if it is are weaker/stronger, or want anything to do with it. Majority of people using legit controls simply do not want ANYTHING to do with it. It's that simple, no discussion to be had. People want fair fights on equal grounds.”.

Sorry. You won’t change how the majority feel as evident by plethora of hate topics against cheap cheat controls even only here (and many more on elsewhere).

And no. It’s not equal grounds. Sorry. I explained it in simple terms previous post. Even you are contradicting yourself with the delusions that we legit players are on advantage here. Well if they are, then that means not equal grounds after all eh? 😎

The majority of people do not give a single flying ♥♥♥♥ about whether there is an M or C next to someone's name. Not even the majority of people who care about the game enough to post online care about it. The majority of players don't even care about wifi, because they themselves are on it.

So then what's the problem with those topics and why did the game not release with filtering?

What is evident is plethora of endless topics since before release asking for filtration, excluding Reddit, Youtube, X and Twitch comments too. Something does not add up with the claim the majority do not care.

[Nooneyouknow]

Nguyên văn bởi Daily Ritual Player:

Nguyên văn bởi Nooneyouknow:

The majority of people do not give a single flying ♥♥♥♥ about whether there is an M or C next to someone's name. Not even the majority of people who care about the game enough to post online care about it. The majority of players don't even care about wifi, because they themselves are on it.

So then what's the problem with those topics and why did the game not release with filtering?

What is evident is plethora of endless topics since before release asking for filtration, excluding Reddit, Youtube, X and Twitch comments too. Something does not add up with the claim the majority do not care.

Because a filter would just slow down matchmaking, and people would care about that. This is why there is also not a wifi filter.

SF reddit gets a thousand more times traffic than this board, at the least, and has less than a tenth of the modern whine posts. I'm sorry but, you're reading your own posts and ignoring everything else.

[Modern=inferior loser pretender]

Nguyên văn bởi Nooneyouknow:

Nguyên văn bởi Daily Ritual Player:

So then what's the problem with those topics and why did the game not release with filtering?

What is evident is plethora of endless topics since before release asking for filtration, excluding Reddit, Youtube, X and Twitch comments too. Something does not add up with the claim the majority do not care.

Because a filter would just slow down matchmaking, and people would care about that. This is why there is also not a wifi filter.

SF reddit gets a thousand more times traffic than this board, at the least, and has less than a tenth of the modern whine posts. I'm sorry but, you're reading your own posts and ignoring everything else.

Ahhh yesss... It would slow down the matchmaking this is why it was not added. 🤣
Actually it will not. Anyone with logic can know why. This is also not about wi-fi, or grooves, or doner kebab. This is about filtering against Modern.

SF Reddit has a lot of Modern complaints posts and COMMENTS. Dunno if we checked the same sub. Even Twitch get filled with chat comments in official Capcom broadcasts.

FFS there is a search functionality: https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/search/?q=modern&cId=a06dfb1f-00a5-4f3a-a9c9-0b0249657339&iId=af4b80ab-13af-4e77-8191-f914b3d9ef5f
Plethora of posts AND comments. Hell, filter it even by just last week and see for yourself.

The fact is the majority (that play ranked, and online semi-competitively not world tour casuals) DO care and want filtration.

Edit: Actually here seems to be lesser posts overall than Reddit even. Because of the no-life trolls crusaders cyberbullying and harassing people for expressing their hatred towards that cringe crutch. Discussing video game gets you so much hate so most people just nope out.

[Mu'Ammar of Carthus]

I got news for you.

If you're complaining about Modern, you're exactly the player it's made for.

I had never bought or played online a fighting game before SF6.
Modern helped a great deal when it came to learn the ropes without worrying about doing the inputs and which side of the screen I was on.

I played through the World Tour mostly in Modern, played also my first 15 online matches in Modern.
Then I switched to Classic when I was good and ready, and played my next few 3-400 matches with it. And never skipped a beat.

Modern is only an advantage if your opponent is really bad and should be using Modern themselves.
Otherwise it's a huge handicap.

[Lysamus]

Regarding "majority of player base" claims:

According to sales figures from 2 months ago, SF6 has sold 4 million copies to date.

https://www.ign.com/articles/street-fighter-6-now-on-4-million-sales-matching-mortal-kombat-1

Assuming 100,000 unique individuals are commenting about their distaste for Modern controls (which honestly seems like a generous number from a gut check), that would still only amount to 2.5% of the install base 2 months ago.

It's also, from what I can tell looking at 4 big and relatively modern fighting games on Steam charts (Tekken 8, SF6, MK1, GG:Strive) the most played fighting game in the last 24 hours, with 27,000+ players. None of those other games surpassed 10,000, even with the autumn sale (Alternatively, SF6's average player counts month over month exceeds 10,000).

https://steamcharts.com/app/1364780

None of this is conclusive enough data to determine where the community lands in terms of how they feel about Modern controls, but it leans towards the possibility that SF6 is still the most popular fighting game available today, suggesting more people are choosing to engage with it as it is compared to other alternatives.

There's no sweeping data to suggest players reject or love Modern controls, but there is data to indicate SF6 is consistently the most played fighting game. I suspect Modern controls factor into the reason for that personally.

[Modern=inferior loser pretender]

Nguyên văn bởi Mu'Ammar of Carthus:

I got news for you.

If you're complaining about Modern, you're exactly the player it's made for.

I had never bought or played online a fighting game before SF6.
Modern helped a great deal when it came to learn the ropes without worrying about doing the inputs and which side of the screen I was on.

I played through the World Tour mostly in Modern, played also my first 15 online matches in Modern.
Then I switched to Classic when I was good and ready, and played my next few 3-400 matches with it. And never skipped a beat.

Modern is only an advantage if your opponent is really bad and should be using Modern themselves.
Otherwise it's a huge handicap.

That’s because you play Gief which is very braindead especially execution wise and you peaked at plat1. Play more and you will get better idea. I am doing very fine on legit controls tyvm.

Did not read long post but already clarified: majority of people that actually play the game and semi-competitively. Rejected default is used by less than 25 and no option to filter them is obvious why.

Edit: that 25% accounts to world tour btw, and also was first year. It’s rejected so hard by community and this is why they can’t get their own queue let’s be honest.