frogs housing problem

[Anthony's Den]

I'm wondering if it's a bug or a species thing.
But frogs dont go in the communal houses, they are the only ones who will only live in the specific house for them.

[vindicar]

This is intended behaviour. Frogs also don't really get a penalty for not having basic housing, so they can wait until you build their homes.

[arjensmit79]

Originally posted by vindicar:

This is intended behaviour. Frogs also don't really get a penalty for not having basic housing, so they can wait until you build their homes.

You telling me the forest mysteries that target unhoused guys dont target frogs ?
Have i been going out of my way to house my frogs for nothing ?

[vindicar]

Originally posted by arjensmit79:

Originally posted by vindicar:

This is intended behaviour. Frogs also don't really get a penalty for not having basic housing, so they can wait until you build their homes.

You telling me the forest mysteries that target unhoused guys dont target frogs ?
Have i been going out of my way to house my frogs for nothing ?

That's actually a good question. Ad far as I understand the behind the scenes workings, most settlers have two needs: Basic Housing and Species Housing. Shelters provide only Basic Housing, while homes provide both. As far as I understand it, Frogs literally don't have Basic Housing need, and their homes only provide Species Housing need.

Now, the question is, how forest mysteries select settlers to target. If they target those who have a need for Basic Housing, but do not have it met, then Frogs should be safe.

The alternative is targeting settlers that either don't have the need or don't have it met - but I find it unlikely. You'd have to go out of your way to code this particular behaviour. Devs would've realized this either in development, or in basic testing, as "Under an Open Sky" is a typical early mystery and it'd be hitting Frogs every time.

[arjensmit79]

I can assure you that the devs were very aware of the issue of frogs housing and forest mysteries. I have played 1 or 2 games in the beta and participated in the discord for a tiny bit and that was the main topic at hand. I have however not been participating for the remainder of the beta so i don't know what has been discussed and decided later on.

The most pressing matter was that in QHT, you don't by default have the homes unlocked and depend on RNG to even get the unlock offered. Seeing the current game, they fixed this issue by making the houses available without the need for an unlock.

They would not have needed to do that if these forest mysteries didn't target the frogs. So that seems extremely unlikely to me. So what penalty are you talking about here then ?

Originally posted by vindicar:

Frogs also don't really get a penalty for not having basic housing, so they can wait until you build their homes.

[vindicar]

Originally posted by arjensmit79:

So what penalty are you talking about here then?

The penalty would be lack of basic housing resolve (which is what, +3?).

And if Frogs are targeted by Basic Housing-prevented Mysteris, then that just doesn't make sense. You literally can't satisfy them on Basic Housing, and their homes are listed on wiki as providing only Frog Housing.

[arjensmit79]

But the mysteries dont target basic housing. They target housing. Not caring if its basic or not.

And obviously do lack the +3 from basic housing because they can't get it.

Yes there are costs to having beavers. They do have disadvantages in the housing department. But thats intended. On the reverse side you have advantages:
-The absolute best hearthkeeper bonus for early game.
-Needs fewer breaks than any other race

[Leisurely Luke]

Originally posted by arjensmit79:

Originally posted by vindicar:

This is intended behaviour. Frogs also don't really get a penalty for not having basic housing, so they can wait until you build their homes.

You telling me the forest mysteries that target unhoused guys dont target frogs ?
Have i been going out of my way to house my frogs for nothing ?

Those Forest Mysteries also target Frogs. You're right that Housing in Forest Mysteries refers both to Basic Housing and Species Housing, so to prevent Frogs from being affected by negative Forest Mysteries, they need Frog Houses, while other species need only Shelters (but their Species Housing will work as well).

[LuNi]

Nothing quite like picking a frog caravan and having under the open sky as the first negative forest mystery.

[arjensmit79]

Originally posted by LuNi:

Nothing quite like picking a frog caravan and having under the open sky as the first negative forest mystery.

You may have to take away all wood cutters and have a level 0 storm in year 1.