Can't get my beavers resolve above 20

[Bartowski]

Ive done everything i can think of on some of these maps, and i have yet to be able to get any races up to level 20 resolve. How should i go about this?

[mostly willing]

why 20 specifically with beavers? their base is 10, first High Resolve threshold is 30. 1 complex food, coats, housing + favoring should about get you to 30. if you can set up services, they are the easiest way to boost resolve - a single service need fulfilled gives 10 resolve or so.

[Bartowski]

hmm, im not home atm so can't look at the numbers, or know the cap. Ive gotten the raptors up a couple times before, but it doesn't last long before it falls off again.

[Unimportant]

Originally posted by a mostly willing son:

why 20 specifically with beavers?

Order maybe?

[el Darkness]

For me Humans and Beavers were always problematic, they are harder to start pushing for Resolve than Harpier or Lizards, Lizards are no good for long term though, but Harpies...
Lizards, Harpies and recently Foxes need only 10 Resolve to start generating Reputation, Humans need 15 while Beavers need 20, quite tough if you want to rush it.

Only times when I was able to get some Reputation through Beaver/Human Resolve was when I was already going to win. From may experience it is better not to focus too much on those species, they are hard to please, but easy to keep around so you do not need to pay them too much attention.

[Clawyer]

In order to generate reputation via resolve from beavers I would suggest combining pickled food (+8) with housing (+3), at least two hearths at level 1 (+4) and either raincoats or a service building (+5 or +8).
Once you have gotten the first threshold increase you might want to deny your villagers more than one complex food via consumption control as long as resolve allows it and stockpile all kinds of different goods bought from vendors.
When you are ready to finish your settlement you can then enable all food and watch the resolve skyrocket to 40-50. In a moderately sized settlement this will probably generate 4-5 reputation during one year.

[mostly willing]

Originally posted by el Darkness:

For me Humans and Beavers were always problematic, they are harder to start pushing for Resolve than Harpier or Lizards, Lizards are no good for long term though, but Harpies...
Lizards, Harpies and recently Foxes need only 10 Resolve to start generating Reputation, Humans need 15 while Beavers need 20, quite tough if you want to rush it.

harpies are the best for rep generation, followed by the foxes. lizards fall off hard due to high decadence and humans are straight up worthless. don't even try to win through High Resolve with humans
beavers have the lowest decadence in the game, so in games w/out harpies or foxes, they are probably going to be your win condition. they also have overlapping service needs with both foxes and harpies, so it's likely that you'll have them in High Resolve once you set up luxury/education for your primary rep gain species. finally, lowest decadence means that after you gain 3-4 rep from harpies or foxes (high prestige), you are better off investing in beavers, bc at that point their resolve is worth more per point of reputation. realistically, you are not going to be in a situation that necessitates that - you should be closing out your game at that point, but it is something to consider

[Bartowski]

Originally posted by Clawyer:

In order to generate reputation via resolve from beavers I would suggest combining pickled food (+8) with housing (+3), at least two hearths at level 1 (+4) and either raincoats or a service building (+5 or +8).
Once you have gotten the first threshold increase you might want to deny your villagers more than one complex food via consumption control as long as resolve allows it and stockpile all kinds of different goods bought from vendors.
When you are ready to finish your settlement you can then enable all food and watch the resolve skyrocket to 40-50. In a moderately sized settlement this will probably generate 4-5 reputation during one year.

Thanks. I will keep an eye out on what my people need! I didn't know the numbers behind what they give, that is good toknow.

[el Darkness]

Lizards start with 5 Resolve, they start generating Rep at 15, each Rep gained increases this by 7, so they generate 1 point of Rep after you increase they Resolve by 10, 17, 24, 31 (Resolve at 15, 22, 29, 36), I doubt you can squeeze more.

Harpies start with 5 Resolve, they start generating Rep at 15, each Rep gained increases this by 3 (am I correct? I am not 100% sure), so they generate 1 point of Rep after you increase they Resolve by 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31, perhaps you can squeeze a bit more.

Beavers start with 10 Resolve, they start generating Rep at 30, each Rep gained increases this by 2 (again, am I correct? I know this was true earlier), so they generate 1 point of Rep after you increase they Resolve by 20, 22, 24 (at this point they catch up to Lizards), 26, 28, 30, 32, only at this point they catch up to Harpies.

Harpies are the best by far. I have not calculated Foxes, because they special skill makes it easier to compensate and more difficult to compare for their Decadence of 5 (Decadence of Lizards, Harpies and Beavers are 7, 3 and 2).

[mostly willing]

Originally posted by el Darkness:

Harpies are the best by far. I have not calculated Foxes, because they special skill makes it easier to compensate and more difficult to compare for their Decadence of 5 (Decadence of Lizards, Harpies and Beavers are 7, 3 and 2).

you are mixing up prestige values. w/out that one prestige modifier foxes have 4 Decadence. With prestige +1 Decadence we have:

• Beavers at 3
  
• Harpies at 4
  
• Humans at 5
  
• Foxes at 6
  
• Lizards at 8

[el Darkness]

I was pretty sure that humans and foxes have base decadence of 5, I guess I took longer break from game than I thought. :(
I was aiming to give numbers without Prestige modifier.

[sergeev]

Another pros for Harpies - whey gain reputation faster, then Humans and Beavers:
about 0.00055*(persons*resolve) reputation per minute for Humans and Beavers, and about 0.00083 for Lizards, Harpies and Foxes

[el Darkness]

Originally posted by sergeev:

Another pros for Harpies - whey gain reputation faster, then Humans and Beavers:
about 0.00055*(persons*resolve) reputation per minute for Humans and Beavers, and about 0.00083 for Lizards, Harpies and Foxes

Approximately 50% faster? Thats a lot.

[arjensmit79]

Originally posted by el Darkness:

Originally posted by sergeev:

Another pros for Harpies - whey gain reputation faster, then Humans and Beavers:
about 0.00055*(persons*resolve) reputation per minute for Humans and Beavers, and about 0.00083 for Lizards, Harpies and Foxes

Approximately 50% faster? Thats a lot.

This is not entirely true. They have this better multiplier number here. But this is basically to make up for the fact that humans and beavers have higher base resolve.

In other words, harpies start at 5, you add 15 and they are generating reputation at 20.
Humans or beavers start at 15, you add 15, they are generating reputation at 30.

Resolve is also a lineair factor in reputation formula. So this balances out.