Against the Storm

Against the Storm

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Panfilo Aug 8, 2023 @ 6:39pm
Least useful resource?
While every resource has its uses, I definitely feel some are more helpful than others. Clay, in particular, feels subpar-

To my knowledge there is no glade mission that has clay as a usable solution. Clay also doesn't seem to be used in a lot of recipes.

I feel that there's only a few saving graces to clay- you can use it in lieu of stone so that the stone can be used to open caches and glade events. And Clay+wood is a more accessible reagent for clay jars compared to waterskins or barrels.

There's never really been a game where I was hurting for clay specifically, compared to other resources.
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RonEmpire Aug 8, 2023 @ 6:54pm 
I wouldn't say it's least useful since it's used for bricks and as you pointed out pottery.

Clay pit and clay delivery line is something I welcome. Plus it can be used for dew bars for fox homes and other stuff that uses dew bars. Tools and pipes and barrels.

I've been brick starved before on a few occasions. So not having any clay definitely hurts.

I would say pigments is more least useful. Only use for pigment is for scrolls or scarlet orchard event solve. Maybe for pack of trade goods but there are other options.
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Panfilo Aug 8, 2023 @ 7:56pm 
Bricks sure but stone can provide that, as well as dew bars. Clay jars are the only clay exclusive item and maybe they make up for the downsides beyond that. I tend to favor resources that can't easily be replaced by something else. Stone is more or less as common as clay in theory but has way more uses so the only function clay had

Pigments yeah I'm surprised there's so few recipes for it-and no pigment exclusive items either! You can make scrolls with wine if you're desperate enough. Scrolls are useful of course, used in education services and lots of glade stuff but incense has very similar functions yet is much easier to make.

I've heard some people claim herbs are not very useful compared to other food items but I'd disagree there. Granted, you can't eat it raw nor turn it into flour. But Most complex food lets you use herbs as an option, which frees up more edible foods for other things.
Lil brekky Aug 8, 2023 @ 8:08pm 
No matter how much I play, I always make a funny face when I think about resin and pigment. 30 resin solves some events.. I think I usually make tea with it... and just sell the rest?

This might be embarrassing but ancient marrow's sac effect is only relevant for me in like 1/12 games. It's a nice alternative if youre struggling with wood... but mostly its just trade route fodder for me
Samseng Yik Aug 8, 2023 @ 9:16pm 
Of course all have many use.

But I think Dye, coloring, pigment
Annoying to make, feel not important to make. And is not very expensive to just buy the luxury product. Plus this luxury product is not often used anyway.
kory Aug 8, 2023 @ 9:51pm 
Originally posted by Lil brekky:
No matter how much I play, I always make a funny face when I think about resin and pigment. 30 resin solves some events.. I think I usually make tea with it... and just sell the rest?

This might be embarrassing but ancient marrow's sac effect is only relevant for me in like 1/12 games. It's a nice alternative if youre struggling with wood... but mostly its just trade route fodder for me
Resin makes incense, and something else. Its one of those things that feels useless until you need it, and then you never have enough. Pigment is a bit more weird though, trade good packs and scrolls, though with scrolls its either pigment or wine, so pigment is great then.
RonEmpire Aug 9, 2023 @ 8:03am 
Stones isn't as common on royal. It's by product from marrow. Which isn't as high amounts.

Only in scarlet do I save pigments from trees for the dig solve
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Spacesuit Spiff Aug 9, 2023 @ 8:04am 
If you bring sword supply line to the clay maps (for opening caches), clay becomes better than stone. Easiest container recipe by far.

Pigment seems like it could be good, I usually make some if I draft it, but the recipes are actually pretty expensive for what you're getting. And I virtually never make scrolls or tea (easier to just buy them).

Roots are sub-par food. Produced at 1-star in herb garden, you'd rather be doing mushrooms. Don't think I've ever foraged for them except year 1 in the starting glade. I've also never foraged wheat nodes (the marshlands big one doesn't count). If I'm in a position to do that I probably already found a farm blueprint and sold the Parts a camp would take to jumpstart trade routes.
KD.AltQQ Aug 9, 2023 @ 9:50am 
Pigment is pretty useless... who on earth makes scrolls (since the scroll buildings are all pretty bad, except for maybe Explorer's lodge... situationally)? It sells for next to nothing.

Second has to be oil. Even with the buff, it's not worth to burn. Sure, 15 oil can be used for glade-solving, but 15 coal or 15 sea marrow also works. I've never seen anyone be glad to see a druid's hut pop up in their choices. It also doens't sell for much.

The others are quite useful depending on the situation (not really... resin is quite useless, but at least it sells for something). At any rate, you can sell them for decent money.
arjensmit79 Aug 9, 2023 @ 10:02am 
i think we have some consensus about pigment here.

Oil is super useful imo. Making oil as your main fuel is imo a very viable option.

I also dont think there's anything wrong with clay. I always used to prefer it over stones actually. But just recently i stopped send ALL caches to the queen and now ill sometimes use stones to open some in early game. So caches vs easy containers, fair balance imo.

Id say second place after pigment is for resin.
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Spacesuit Spiff Aug 9, 2023 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by KD.AltQQ:
Pigment is pretty useless... who on earth makes scrolls (since the scroll buildings are all pretty bad, except for maybe Explorer's lodge... situationally)? It sells for next to nothing.

Second has to be oil. Even with the buff, it's not worth to burn. Sure, 15 oil can be used for glade-solving, but 15 coal or 15 sea marrow also works. I've never seen anyone be glad to see a druid's hut pop up in their choices. It also doens't sell for much.

The others are quite useful depending on the situation (not really... resin is quite useless, but at least it sells for something). At any rate, you can sell them for decent money.
That guy who was drowning in meat and no wood the other day would've lol.
More generally, it's good if you're going hard on the ranch strat.
Vvv Aug 9, 2023 @ 6:12pm 
Like many said it's probably pigment and imo I find copper fairly useless...it's like fine until you get to later prestige stages where it costs 2 copper for 1 road...and I don't even remember when it's the last I made copper bars or needed to make them...
Emperor Sigismund Aug 9, 2023 @ 11:01pm 
If we're talking 'raw' resources I'd say either copper or resin. Resin because while it does have a few good uses you either have an abundance of it from the woodlands or you have none. The only other sources are one of the coral trees I think and the foresters hut which you won't use because it's more efficient to grow bars then buy whatever else you need.

Copper is only used for pigment, which as other has covered isn't that useful either, and most of the copper bar workshops are bad when you can make dewbars in the brickyard.
Watereaters Aug 10, 2023 @ 12:30am 
Packs of crops
Yxklyx Aug 10, 2023 @ 7:13am 
At least copper is needed for payments sometimes.
KD.AltQQ Aug 10, 2023 @ 8:28am 
Originally posted by Emperor Sigismund:
If we're talking 'raw' resources I'd say either copper or resin. Resin because while it does have a few good uses you either have an abundance of it from the woodlands or you have none. The only other sources are one of the coral trees I think and the foresters hut which you won't use because it's more efficient to grow bars then buy whatever else you need.

Copper is only used for pigment, which as other has covered isn't that useful either, and most of the copper bar workshops are bad when you can make dewbars in the brickyard.
Copper ore (not bars) are used for pack of building materials at 14 per 2 packs... and the Queen LOVES to put those in orders.
Mind you, copper bars are MUCH easier to make than dew bars. Copper bar is just ore + fuel.

Btw resin can be found on large root nodes as a side product along with herbs.
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Date Posted: Aug 8, 2023 @ 6:39pm
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