Against the Storm

Against the Storm

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CyperAleksi Nov 18, 2022 @ 5:33am
Recommended difficulty for beginner?
Been playing second lowest to start off with, which seems manageable.

Related question:

Is this is one of those games where you are not really going to fare well, unless you grind easier difficulties first for meta upgrades?

Edit: Thank you everyone for your replies, I will most likely follow this suggestion below.
Last edited by CyperAleksi; Nov 19, 2022 @ 6:31am
Originally posted by Olleus:
The meta upgrades are nice, but not super crucial unless you play at the punishing end of the prestige levels.

I'd say have a few games on pioneer, and when you feel that you've had a good "comfortable" win (ie, nobody leaves, nobody dies, you finish in under 6 years), then move up. Rinse and repeat for Veteran and Viceroy. After that the changes are relatively small, and you should know the game well enough, to move up one difficulty per win. Prestige 5 and 6 (+50% production cost, +50% food consumption) is a bit of slap in the face though. Above Prestige 10 seems to get rather gruelling.
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ziroonderel Nov 18, 2022 @ 6:09am 
I played one game on the second lowest difficulty, but it felt kinda boring. Increase difficulty until you are actually forced to make hard decisions would be my advice - but also sometimes it is nice to play a leisurely game on a low difficulty in order to build a nice town on something. Meta upgrades are nice, especially more blueprints, trading etc., but they are not absolutely necessary.
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Olleus Nov 18, 2022 @ 6:26am 
The meta upgrades are nice, but not super crucial unless you play at the punishing end of the prestige levels.

I'd say have a few games on pioneer, and when you feel that you've had a good "comfortable" win (ie, nobody leaves, nobody dies, you finish in under 6 years), then move up. Rinse and repeat for Veteran and Viceroy. After that the changes are relatively small, and you should know the game well enough, to move up one difficulty per win. Prestige 5 and 6 (+50% production cost, +50% food consumption) is a bit of slap in the face though. Above Prestige 10 seems to get rather gruelling.
HeathenSW Nov 18, 2022 @ 6:38am 
I started on Viceroy personaly and found it just right going after prestige ladder after that. On prestige 5 I started having difficulties, just as Olleus here is saying. Plus the difference in exp and resources earnings is pretty big between main difficulties (prestige ladder doesn't give you all that much of an increase except prestige 1). You will probably get old trying to grind this game on easier difficulty.

The only somewhat important unlocks for me were embark bonuses, more range on the global map and houses being essential. Other than that I don't think anything was of that much help.
CyperAleksi Nov 18, 2022 @ 7:06am 
Thank you for the responses, I shall most likely progress gradually in difficulties in this case, considering that I've had some spots of trouble on Pioneer, not being really that experienced in this type of games.
Stu -1 Nov 18, 2022 @ 7:19am 
yeh i'd play on pioneer until you're comfortable with the mechanics and unlock certain upgrades. game gets a lot easier once you unlock certain buildings/embark bonuses and re-roll options.
frank327 Nov 18, 2022 @ 7:33am 
Pioneer is a perfectly fine difficulty to start at, that's where I started too. If it gets too easy, step up the difficulty and you will get more rewards for finishing your towns as well.
Mringasa Nov 18, 2022 @ 1:46pm 
Get comfortable with the basic mechanics on Pioneer, then move to Veteran soon. The addition of Corruption and Blight adds another layer of complexity you need to become familiar with.

You don't "need" the upgrades and all of that, it simply makes the game much smoother at higher difficulty levels. There isn't quite as much of a rush when you can plan with more tools at hand.

I think there are people who clear Prestige 20 at level 1 or some such insanity as that, so it mostly depends on your own desired level of play. I prefer a bit more casual play, but my first couple games at Viceroy level were pretty easy, so time to bump that difficulty up and start clearing Prestige levels.
Garney Nov 18, 2022 @ 1:59pm 
Here I am 86 hours of play in, on level 12, and I barely poke my head above settler most of the time, Pioneer if I'm feeling jaunty.

I would say I'm MORE punished for not moving up, because I'm getting like 10-14 food at a time, the other factions always beat me, etc etc.
Star Paladin Nov 18, 2022 @ 2:53pm 
I have played multiple towns and hours now, all on Settler. I am afraid to try a harder difficulty because I don't know what penalty there is for failing at a city. Any?
Garney Nov 18, 2022 @ 2:55pm 
There really isn't a penalty for losing a settlement, so don't be afraid.

I'm just mushy brain and beavers cutting trees goes brrrr.
Star Paladin Nov 18, 2022 @ 3:28pm 
I am a bit annoyed at myself. I got an huge update and dlc for Farthest Frontier, Dune and Humankind, but I can't stop playing this game long enough to try those. :steamfacepalm:
MagnusGrey Nov 18, 2022 @ 3:45pm 
Playing prestige early on is totally doable.
Reianor Nov 18, 2022 @ 4:12pm 
As one newbie to another.
Even if you want to start slow (or just not fond of "learn by failing" approach) avoid playing settler for more than 1-2 games, if even that, the rewards on it are so low it's actually bad for you. Pioneer gives you ~2 times the xp but ~3 times the upgrade resources, worse yet settler isn't going to stop you from gaining deeds. Reclaim those and your level quickly rises, which unlocks a lot of new blueprints, which is kinda good cus many of them are great (ranch ftw, and MINE! FFS! It's so important I dunno why it's not a starting BP) but has a side effect of bloating your BP list with arguably useless garbage. Thing is, if you play pioneer you'd have enough resources to unlock the 4th pick in BP selection and win back some sanity but if you were on settler... no such luxury.


Originally posted by Star Paladin:
I am a bit annoyed at myself. I got an huge update and dlc for Farthest Frontier, Dune and Humankind, but I can't stop playing this game long enough to try those. :steamfacepalm:
Eww, don't remind me of humankind. They really fell flat with that one.
You ever played old world? One of the best 4x's I've ever seen. They've really hit the spot with a lot of their design decisions such as resource pool handling and their use in production or how land claiming is managed. Also their building adjacency bonus system is actually sane and fun which pretty much never before happened to that particular system.
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Swisspike Nov 18, 2022 @ 4:12pm 
Originally posted by Garney:
Here I am 86 hours of play in, on level 12, and I barely poke my head above settler most of the time, Pioneer if I'm feeling jaunty.

I would say I'm MORE punished for not moving up, because I'm getting like 10-14 food at a time, the other factions always beat me, etc etc.

I don't have any issues with those "experts" that play prestige levels after an hour of experience. They're not telling the truth, and that's fine.

Like you, I played at Settler for a fair amount of time, and am just now comfortable enough to play Pioneer. I am level 9, with quite a few unlocks.

There is no need to get aggressive with the difficulty levels. Slow and steady. Games don't need to be punishingly difficult to be fun.
OZFugazi Nov 18, 2022 @ 4:25pm 
heyo..

settler is pretty good starting out. maybe unlock some -2% queens rate and a couple +1 to embarkment points. the free cornerstone re-roll is a good target. nothing that requires special currency yet. get a feel for the game, the tempo and buildings.. biome differences.

pioneer up to all the species special housing unlocks. maybe the herbalist hut unlock, or a couple more embarkment points. it's very helpful to pioneer up to the third caravan unlock, or some trade bonus unlocks.. 10% discount can be very helpful or additional trade slots for buildings/cornerstones for sale. pioneer up to some easy cornerstone options is a good call as well. some good time spent here .. finding your groove.

veteran+ onward based on global map challenges or daily challenges or how much you want more to unlock.. paving your way to prestige..

prestige+ everything is unlocked.. make your way to p20. or find a speed you enjoy.

note: there are 5 profiles you can create. you can easily set a profile to each difficulty and challenge yourself with goals you set. ie: no loss run (including complete the tutorials for +2) or .. prestige only profile.. ect.

game has a good amount of learning to it (nuances). but once you get that curve and tempo down.. it can become much easier. it's a fun game at any level of experience however. at least i think so.

bottom line.. the difficulty you feel most challenged without frustration felt is up to you. some folks can easily handle vet+ (experienced) while others who have never played a rogue lite or city builder.. might need a little practice first.

all the best.
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