Is there any real point to Mid/Low stances?

[Cruddy]

I know the benefits on paper of them, but in practice I find myself using High stance nearly exclusively since enemies can block and stop Mid/Low attacks at any point, but High stance goes through blocks, stuns more often, deals more damage and the stamina use can be circumvented if you're good at Ki pulses.

[Pelikan]

İlk olarak Cruddy horse tarafından gönderildi:

I know the benefits on paper of them, but in practice I find myself using High stance nearly exclusively since enemies can block and stop Mid/Low attacks at any point, but High stance goes through blocks, stuns more often, deals more damage and the stamina use can be circumvented if you're good at Ki pulses.

But you are clearly slower, cannot dodge properly ( can only roll) which means you are far more likely to take damage against multiple fast enemies and still burn KI far quicker even if you double ki pulse, besides this is stat dependent, if you have low skill/strength, your ki pulses wont compensate.

Lets put it this way, Nioh has a very deep combat system that allow you to chain skills and moves into combos from 3 different stances of 2 different weapons plus yokai abilities and animation cancels.

So it is like asking a virtuoso flamenco guitarist whether it is pointless to use 6 strings on his guitar instead of 2. Sure you can still play music with 2 strings..but not the same kind of music..

It also depends on the build, as posted above, many people run braindead builds that they watched on youtube in the endgame, the kind of build where you spam the same skill for hundred of hours like Pwar made many of these (blender etc ).

So yeah if the difficulty is too much for someone and he resorts to these kind of builds while still managing to actually have fun, then he might not need to switch stance, actually one could even consider play blindfolded with certain builds :)

But to be more serious, mid stance gives you the best block, low stance gives you the best dodge (most i-frames), high stance the best damage (usually, theoretically), so it depends on the situation if you want to optimize your performance, also some skills can only be slotted in specific stances.

So TLDR, yeah it is actually very useful as stance switching is the core mechanic of this fantastic combat system but it is true that it is possible to ignore it with certain builds as the devs let you choose whether you want to use its depth or not, you are not forced to be technical/skiled to do well with many kinds of builds.

[causality]

You swap stances to take advantage of the bonuses with deep knowledge of Nioh's intricate gameplay mechanics.
I swap stances to flux and continue spamming the same 1 skill in low stance.

We are not the same.

[roachit]

I still can't wrap my head around people using only one stance. The game gives you a Swiss army knife with each weapon. Having three stances, at a bare minimum, allows you to have triple the active skills available. How do people even manage to beat the game without using the right tool for the right job? Do they just bash their head against the wall over and over until they beat the boss after hours of attempts?

[causality]

İlk olarak roachit tarafından gönderildi:

How do people even manage to beat the game without using the right tool for the right job? Do they just bash their head against the wall over and over until they beat the boss after hours of attempts?

Yes. Since I'm a low skilled player, my alternative is to cancel spam feathers or use onymo magic which is even more boring but others might suggest as efficient. I go the least efficient, lazy route until the boss concedes and gets bored from killing me the nth time. This is a strategy that has worked since the dawn of creation.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

İlk olarak roachit tarafından gönderildi:

I still can't wrap my head around people using only one stance. The game gives you a Swiss army knife with each weapon. Having three stances, at a bare minimum, allows you to have triple the active skills available. How do people even manage to beat the game without using the right tool for the right job? Do they just bash their head against the wall over and over until they beat the boss after hours of attempts?

I hate stance Switching weapon switching mid combat in every game so i always make a jack of all trade build in Games. and it always works and never have issue with anything lol.
I like playing casually instead of being a Sweatlord for no reason my friend is the same and he also loves these type of games.

In games where you make your own builds you DON'T need to use every mechanic the game offers just make a build you enjoy. all these extra mechanics are there for people who LIKE them and want to build Around them because that's the gameplay they prefer.

[Soul]

İlk olarak Zordiark Darkeater tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak roachit tarafından gönderildi:

I still can't wrap my head around people using only one stance. The game gives you a Swiss army knife with each weapon. Having three stances, at a bare minimum, allows you to have triple the active skills available. How do people even manage to beat the game without using the right tool for the right job? Do they just bash their head against the wall over and over until they beat the boss after hours of attempts?

I hate stance Switching weapon switching mid combat in every game so i always make a jack of all trade build in Games. and it always works and never have issue with anything lol.
I like playing casually instead of being a Sweatlord for no reason my friend is the same and he also loves these type of games.

just knowing how to play and use the mechanics the game give you ain't what make you a sweatlord,it just mean you know how to play

[Zordiark Darkeater]

İlk olarak Soul tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Zordiark Darkeater tarafından gönderildi:

I hate stance Switching weapon switching mid combat in every game so i always make a jack of all trade build in Games. and it always works and never have issue with anything lol.
I like playing casually instead of being a Sweatlord for no reason my friend is the same and he also loves these type of games.

just knowing how to play and use the mechanics the game give you ain't what make you a sweatlord,it just mean you know how to play

I never said i don't know how to use them. lol
i just outright don't like these mechanics and feel pointless for me when i can make way more relaxing Builds without playing Guitar hero.
its my prefered way of playing games.

I called it sweatlord because like above me there are people that look at people like us like if we are retarded and bad or something. These people are annoying.

Seriously who is the bad ? The person who beats the game With builds that uses all the mechanics the game offers or the Player who can beat the game in a more relaxing way only using half the gameplay mechanics the Game offers to you ?
They player who needs and make builds where you need to use every mechanic in it or a Player who can make working builds with only some of the mechanics ?

Answer: Neither.
Its gameplay preference.

[vukotlak]

İlk olarak Zordiark Darkeater tarafından gönderildi:

I hate stance Switching weapon switching mid combat in every game so i always make a jack of all trade build in Games. and it always works and never have issue with anything lol.
I like playing casually instead of being a Sweatlord for no reason my friend is the same and he also loves these type of games.

Using every buildoption available to achieve the ability to play through the whole game with only 1 stance is not "Casual". You need a lot of knowledge and experience to do so and you need to put a lot of thought process into building the character. This is not what casuals do they just play.

If that's the way you want to play it's fine though. But i think you are better off playing souls games then cause there you do not need to bother with stances or combos or skills.

[William Shakesman]

Depends on the weapon. Some of them are Dark Souls tier slow in high stance which locks you into the "attack twice and run away to catch breath" Souls style play.

Ki Flux is really important. Attacking into a block doesnt hurt you if you flux recover that stamina. I know it is new muscle memory to learn but it is really fun when you can do it and opens up really aggressive play options. You cannot punish a stamina broken enemy without flux combos.

The angle of low stance attacks sometimes help catching annoying agile midget losers

But really its fun.