Is every boss in this game as terrible as Enenra?

[Sharkofspace]

I -was- having a lot of fun until I got to this dumpster fire of a boss. Is "Tedious, overinflated damage sponge" just how this game does bosses?

[Sharkofspace]

I beat the boss last night before most of these replies were posted. In response to a few random comments...

I wasn't in low stance for -most- of the fight. I was probably in mid stance 90% of the time, but I'd sometimes go into high or low for an attack or two, usually just for the movement.

"Learn how to dodge"
I did. The problem was every attempt took well over five minutes and by that point I'd end up slipping up out of sheer boredom. For every dozen attacks I dodged he'd land one, but that was more than enough to kill me.

"It's the burst counter tutorial"
I landed 9/10 burst counters. That was never even close to a problem for me in this fight. I missed it sometimes when it happened at weird ranges, but generally I don't find burst countering difficult at all.

Also, I have no idea what level you're "Supposed to be" by this point, but I was level 13, and I haven't even been given enough things to make any sort of build or synergies with yet

[the_bastarded_one]

oh boy you are going to love shibata katsuie, the boss they had to nerf cause he was too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and hes still the hardest boss in the game.

[kcus]

nope, just take your time, no need to rush.
IMO this game quite punishes especially in early games.

[Sharkofspace]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von the_bastarded_one:

oh boy you are going to love shibata katsuie, the boss they had to nerf cause he was too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and hes still the hardest boss in the game.

Well considering the next boss is somehow even worse, I don't doubt it's all downhill from here.

[Fat Valentine]

When in doubt, circlestrafe for uptime.

[the_bastarded_one]

that snake was so tough the first time. he rushes you right from the get go so you just dont get time to think.

[Sharkofspace]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von the_bastarded_one:

that snake was so tough the first time. he rushes you right from the get go so you just dont get time to think.

The real problem is, again, he's just a massive damage sponge with a huge arsenal of jank attacks that can all instantly kill you. It's pretty clear this is just how these guys design bosses. Really disappointing.

[the_bastarded_one]

they do tend to have a funny understanding of how damage should work. i remember getting one shot so many times by yokis and how tanky the first onryoki was on that boat.
you can learn to read their moves, but they smash you so quickly that it takes way longer than it should and cause they have so much health, its easy to make one small mistake and get sent right back to the beginning. it feels like they want you to grind early and often.

[{5LINE}Cows with Guns]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sharkofspace:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von the_bastarded_one:

that snake was so tough the first time. he rushes you right from the get go so you just dont get time to think.

The real problem is, again, he's just a massive damage sponge with a huge arsenal of jank attacks that can all instantly kill you. It's pretty clear this is just how these guys design bosses. Really disappointing.

Man, I wonder what the "souls-like" tag meant to you when you bought the game...

I'll concede the difficulty at the first run through in the first chapter can feel crushingly one-sided, but it gets much better once more yokai abilities, weapon skills, and support ninjutsu and magic become available.

If you can't go beyond that, I get the feeling you just want someone to affirm your opinion rather than figuring out what you did wrong or how to improve.

Regardless, I think it is your loss to stop, because no other souls-like games has offered what Nioh 2 has in terms of combat and build options.

Disclosure: I've spent at least 80 hours to complete the first game cycle without any experience in Nioh 1. If you're great at this game, you can most likely clear it under 20 hours easily.

[the_bastarded_one]

the yokai abilities and shift are so much better than living weapon, and give you so many options. the game for the most part gets easier as you go cause you get more and more tools and skills. i beat the last boss of the main game first time round.

souls games tend to rank up the difficulty with your character, but this game makes the bosses spongier over time and gives you a million tools to soften them up.

[Sharkofspace]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von {5LINE}Cows with Guns:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sharkofspace:

The real problem is, again, he's just a massive damage sponge with a huge arsenal of jank attacks that can all instantly kill you. It's pretty clear this is just how these guys design bosses. Really disappointing.

Man, I wonder what the "souls-like" tag meant to you when you bought the game...

I'll concede the difficulty at the first run through in the first chapter can feel crushingly one-sided, but it gets much better once more yokai abilities, weapon skills, and support ninjutsu and magic become available.

If you can't go beyond that, I get the feeling you just want someone to affirm your opinion rather than figuring out what you did wrong or how to improve.

Regardless, I think it is your loss to stop, because no other souls-like games has offered what Nioh 2 has in terms of combat and build options.

Disclosure: I've spent at least 80 hours to complete the first game cycle without any experience in Nioh 1. If you're great at this game, you can most likely clear it under 20 hours easily.

Are you implying terrible bosses are a staple of souls-like games? I've beat every boss in DS1 and DS3 solo, beat DS2 (Not every boss but still offline only), beat Bloodborne, Beat Sekiro, and beat Elden Ring (Including Malenia). Even the worst bosses in any of those games are infinitely more enjoyable than the ones in Nioh. These bosses genuinely don't feel fair, which turns what was a pretty fun game at first into a miserable chore. I'm on the third(?) boss of the game and I already just want this to be over.

I'd love to learn whatever secret hidden technique makes these fights enjoyable, but I've heard nothing of the sort so far. It's not like I uninstalled and left a negative review, I've just been stuck on this stupid snake for 6 hours because I keep dying to what GENUINELY feels like jank.

[NisseDood]

Elden ring got the worst bosses of all to the point that ds2 bosses look like masterpieces.
Stop trying to iframe all bosses and use positioning instead.

[Mike]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sharkofspace:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von {5LINE}Cows with Guns:

Man, I wonder what the "souls-like" tag meant to you when you bought the game...

I'll concede the difficulty at the first run through in the first chapter can feel crushingly one-sided, but it gets much better once more yokai abilities, weapon skills, and support ninjutsu and magic become available.

If you can't go beyond that, I get the feeling you just want someone to affirm your opinion rather than figuring out what you did wrong or how to improve.

Regardless, I think it is your loss to stop, because no other souls-like games has offered what Nioh 2 has in terms of combat and build options.

Disclosure: I've spent at least 80 hours to complete the first game cycle without any experience in Nioh 1. If you're great at this game, you can most likely clear it under 20 hours easily.

Are you implying terrible bosses are a staple of souls-like games? I've beat every boss in DS1 and DS3 solo, beat DS2 (Not every boss but still offline only), beat Bloodborne, Beat Sekiro, and beat Elden Ring (Including Malenia). Even the worst bosses in any of those games are infinitely more enjoyable than the ones in Nioh. These bosses genuinely don't feel fair, which turns what was a pretty fun game at first into a miserable chore. I'm on the third(?) boss of the game and I already just want this to be over.

I'd love to learn whatever secret hidden technique makes these fights enjoyable, but I've heard nothing of the sort so far. It's not like I uninstalled and left a negative review, I've just been stuck on this stupid snake for 6 hours because I keep dying to what GENUINELY feels like jank.

Just you saying that the bosses are "terrible" or "Janky" does not automatically make it true. The bosses are perfectly balanced (not all, some are pretty difficult lol) given all of the tools and counters you have against them. I'm assuming that your just not use to the feel of the combat because once you realize how important blocking is and switching stances to give you advantages you can mop most of the bosses without too much trouble.

Are you aware of the different levels of I-frames the different stances give you? Heavy stance dodge has the most I-frames but its slower and covers more ground (best if use against big area of effect moves). Low stance has the quickest dodge but will require more precise timing to dodge attacks and is best use to dodge quick attacks. Also you can easily run/sprint away from attacks if even if you are locked on to the boss. Combine all of that with the burst counters and boss Ki damage and you can take out these bosses much easier.

I see you listed every From game (which I also like) but none of those games will help you in Nioh for the simple fact that the gameplay mechanics are more complex and you simply CANNOT get by by just rolling and hitting light attacks. You need to get use to the advantages/disadvantages of each stance, you need to understand that BLOCKING is essential (unlike souls games), and you need to get use to the speed at which Nioh is played at. Its faster thee souls and you need to utilize its core mechanics to get through the game without much trouble.

The bosses are not "janky" you are simply not use or utilizing the game mechanics. I did not even mentions consumables like firebombs, spells, weapon elemental buffs...etc all of which can turn a difficult boss into an easily manageable one.

I'm not trying to come off as an "elitist", I'm just trying to help you see why you may be having a harder time in Nioh then in Souls games. Many people will actually agree that once you unlock new weapon skills, yokai abilities, and magic you can turn most boss in this game into a cake walk. Nioh has tons of gameplay avenues to make the game easier or harder depending on the players playstyle.

I hope you stick with it but if you get stuck to the point you are not enjoying it then maybe it is just not for you or it is taking longer for the gameplay to click for you.

[AILAD]

No offense but this thread is no different than the countless threads on the Elden Ring forums (or any Fromsoft game) complaining about bosses being unfair, or about getting one-shot, or about the controls being unresponsive by people who haven't learned the games' mechanics yet and just want to vent their frustration.

You say that Enenra is genuinely unfair? Every single attack is telegraphed and easy to avoid and then punish. All burst attacks are easy to counter and punish. There are clear openings for you to attack him. The boss should take 3-5 minutes if you're playing it safe and slow, but can be done much faster.

The only explanation I can think of for how you spent over 10 minutes hitting him and he was still not dead is that you're using a very low level weapon or you're playing barehanded.

Meanwhile, in Elden Ring you have a boss that heals on every attack even if you block it and has an insane combo that one-shots you from full HP with high vigor. Not to mention that she cancels stagger and knock-down animations which is against the rules that the game itself established. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Vbsr3Ko7M

Don't get me wrong though, I love Elden Ring and Malenia is one of my favorite bosses. But the idea that she's fine, but an easy, completely telegraphed boss like Enenra is unfair is quite the claim.

[DooG Is Eternal]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von author:

Even the worst bosses in any of those games are infinitely more enjoyable than the ones in Nioh. These bosses genuinely don't feel fair, which turns what was a pretty fun game at first into a miserable chore.

Really? I had more bosses that I can cleared first try, blind here in Nioh 2 than any souls game combined Ds1+2+3 lol. That is including that snek you just fought.