Cheesy build

[Eonie]

I don't really like orbs, but i do like cheese, so i tryed some orbless cheesy build, and turn out it's broken. You just need two items, Bad Cheese and shield, and at most 1 orb.
You just recharge every turn, Bad Cheese is doing all the damages, and you're invincible thanks to the shield anyway. This is not even so hard to do, as both shield and cheese are common, so i think it need to be fixed.

Main problem here is the shieldk. I kind of like the item, but as is, it can be problematic. Without the cheese, no orbs + shields would just softlock the game. Maybe prevent me from removing the last orb of my inventory, or force me to use a special orb when i have nothing else in my inventory, like the Ouroboros ?
Shield + Cheese abuse would still work with two orbs in the inventory anyway, with the use of the book that make you skip two orbs, so again, i think the main problem is this specific relic.

[akhan61391]

this is interesting! I hadn't considered that combo before but yeah that seems broken. I don't have a full understanding of relic rarities but I think this would be best fixed by making the shield as rare as possible, or honestly it maybe doesn't need to be fixed. IMO it's fine to have an infinite combo in a game if it's appropriately gated, and needing 3 pieces (the two relics + a super small a deck) seems like a fine quest for this goal.

Additionally, at cruciball 11+ I usually find it extremely hard to get a functional deck that small. Between 4 stones, the teriball, the lack of gold, the inherent necessity to add orbs since the starting deck deals so little damage, and (at C15) the ridiculous punishment for reloading (two enemy turns), unless I have shield extremely early I can't imagine wanting to invest heavily in such extreme deck thinning, and even then I would also need the cheese before I'm willing to go all-in. In other words, at high cruciball it's going to be better to take a solid or good orb over speculating on getting cheese+shield, and once you add two orbs to your starting deck your kind of locked out of thinning down to a 1-2 orb deck.

[ARTSQ]

Originally posted by Eonie:

I don't really like orbs, but i do like cheese, so i tryed some orbless cheesy build, and turn out it's broken. You just need two items, Bad Cheese and shield, and at most 1 orb.
You just recharge every turn, Bad Cheese is doing all the damages, and you're invincible thanks to the shield anyway. This is not even so hard to do, as both shield and cheese are common, so i think it need to be fixed.

Main problem here is the shieldk. I kind of like the item, but as is, it can be problematic. Without the cheese, no orbs + shields would just softlock the game. Maybe prevent me from removing the last orb of my inventory, or force me to use a special orb when i have nothing else in my inventory, like the Ouroboros ?
Shield + Cheese abuse would still work with two orbs in the inventory anyway, with the use of the book that make you skip two orbs, so again, i think the main problem is this specific relic.

Did you also watch Spiffing Brit video? :)
Although I think this build would not work on The Wall in Castle...

[Eonie]

Never watched anyone, but i may have been inspired by some post in this forum.
And yes, i aggree that it may not be that easy to build. I've been successful only once, thanks to Ouroboros event that made it easy to clean my inventory. I've never played past Crusifixorbe 6, so i can absolutely believe that this may not even be viable anymore past a point ! I do have fun playing hyper light deck currently, i'm not eager to be prevented from doing so. :|
For the wall, i don't know exactly how many turn it take for him to reach us, but cheese deal a total of 1100 damages at turn 10, and 220 more next turn. May be enough, especially if you are lucky enough to get the relic that remove first turn from enemy during recharge. Will certainly not work with max crucible, for sure.

[akhan61391]

hmm on second thought maybe you're right and this does need a nerf, even just the existence of another enemy that killed you like the wall (maybe using poison in an unblockable way, which also resolves the cursed mask issue). Just blew through cruciball 9 with this, and beat the wall by way of also getting dumb bell + shrewd scales too, but admittedly if I didn't have those then the wall would be an issue. 7000 health is definitely too much for the cheese to handle.

In general I'd say the shield or cheese should be bumped up to rare relic.

[Jxt09]

Thanks for this tip. I was able to totally pwn the dragon boss! Thanks again, this totally changed my strategy.