The Endings

[Yasa]

I will say, while I knew that the 'true endings' won't be happy, I was really hoping that after all the effort compared to succubus endings, That there was some secret Luna ending where she doesn't kill you when you ressurect her, or that she somehow tries to bring YOU back. I don't know, I guess I wanted something, because we can be happy with the succubus girls, and we still need to kill succubuses to be able to succeed in their quests so Karma isn't the reason why can't we be happy with Luna. So why? At this point I genuinely feel like there should be something.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

I think the Tragedy is what makes the series stand out, which is just my opinion.

I rather liked the endings, it humanizes the characters. Instead of the one dimensional plot devices they were in the beginning.

It puts you on the path where, you can find someone new / let go of the past, or chase something beyond your reach which leads to Tragedy.

[CloudKira]

I hope that the devs add eventually a happy ending with Luna. Or at least of the less tragic sort. It might be of the weird, creep or ambiguous sort even but come on....

[Jet Magnum]

Moral of the story: pimping, emotional manipulation, betrayal and murder are A-okay, as long as you can let the past go and move on from your obsessions! Everybody's gotta have a hobby, right?

On a serious note, I agree to being disappointed that the "good" true end branch isn't much better than the other for our...um...hero, I'm just glad there are happy endings at all. Not gonna lie, as much as I love the art style of these devs and appreciate the novel concepts, I knew I was not up for the emotional gut punch of My Lovely Daughter so I totally skipped that one. Only grabbed this one on the hints that I could have a better ending by being less of a D-bag.

[Yasa]

Originally posted by Jet Magnum:

Moral of the story: pimping, emotional manipulation, betrayal and murder are A-okay, as long as you can let the past go and move on from your obsessions! Everybody's gotta have a hobby, right?

On a serious note, I agree to being disappointed that the "good" true end branch isn't much better than the other for our...um...hero, I'm just glad there are happy endings at all. Not gonna lie, as much as I love the art style of these devs and appreciate the novel concepts, I knew I was not up for the emotional gut punch of My Lovely Daughter so I totally skipped that one. Only grabbed this one on the hints that I could have a better ending by being less of a D-bag.

Yeah, I'd understand if it was possible to get the main story endings only if you sacrifice succubi, but the succubi endings don't require that, because then it'd make sense.

But as is, there is no reason for Luna's ending to be the way it is compared to them. You still have to sacrifice succubi eitherway.

[Xaxala]

I had the same feeling, I didn't play my lovely daughter so I wasn't "prepared" for this one, and after going to several endings with the succubus I was hoping to have some influence on the final ending, but it's just a simple choice A or B and all the other stuff are just useless things you can do, kinda boring. I liked the game, but to be honest I expected more for the price, the final is disappointing.

[memnoch87]

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, even the negative. Our games are always dark and the idea of no good ending was super important to us as we wanted to make it clear that Jakes actions will always have consequences.

We do understand this is a bitter pill and divides our audience but it was important for us to make the game this way. That being said, we are always looking for feedback and we aren't done with MLW so it's always good to know what you liked and didn't like.

[supahslm]

Originally posted by memnoch87:

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, even the negative. Our games are always dark and the idea of no good ending was super important to us as we wanted to make it clear that Jakes actions will always have consequences.

We do understand this is a bitter pill and divides our audience but it was important for us to make the game this way. That being said, we are always looking for feedback and we aren't done with MLW so it's always good to know what you liked and didn't like.

:O

Aren't done as in sequel with new character or additions with poor ol' Jake?

[Yasa]

Originally posted by memnoch87:

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, even the negative. Our games are always dark and the idea of no good ending was super important to us as we wanted to make it clear that Jakes actions will always have consequences.

We do understand this is a bitter pill and divides our audience but it was important for us to make the game this way. That being said, we are always looking for feedback and we aren't done with MLW so it's always good to know what you liked and didn't like.

"No good ending" "Jake's action will always have consequences"

Fellas, you gave us good ending for every single succubi and reaching those requires killing other succubi because talking was locked behind stats. Similarly, Philip could extract essence from em, as could people at Shrine, but we were only ones who were forced to Kill for stat increase.

I understand the reason for having the stats be gained that way but... just saying, we have 20 endings where we could have happiness and in a way atone for our sins. Yes it is true that we are moving on but at same time I'm surprised both Philip and the Shrine are just like "Yeah that's allowed, the soul in lantern is probably not important."

...NOT SAYING I WANT THE HAPPY ENDINGS TO END UP SAD TOO THOUGH! Just some reasoning

[CloudKira]

Originally posted by memnoch87:

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, even the negative. Our games are always dark and the idea of no good ending was super important to us as we wanted to make it clear that Jakes actions will always have consequences.

We do understand this is a bitter pill and divides our audience but it was important for us to make the game this way. That being said, we are always looking for feedback and we aren't done with MLW so it's always good to know what you liked and didn't like.

How about some "bittersweet" True endings though? Like Jake does not spit at Karma's face and get a super duper happy end but even though there are definite consequences and a price to pay there is also a glimmer of hope for him in the future and he learns from his mistakes?

Like making Jake sacrifice his lifespan or health to bring his wife or make him meet his wife's ghost and telling her he loves her but ask her to wait for him (once he dies too) instead of crossing the moral line. Maybe get some way to meet his wife for a short moment without killing/sacrificing other people to have some heart to heart conversation and learn that she truly loves him even if he does not resurrect her. Of course there might still be grief, sadness and feeling that he betrayed her after all but hey that is why I mean BITTERsweet. :)

Any chance?

[Dead2Rights]

Originally posted by memnoch87:

Hey all, thanks for the feedback, even the negative. Our games are always dark and the idea of no good ending was super important to us as we wanted to make it clear that Jakes actions will always have consequences.

So, this is a weird statement since there are "good" endings that you can get with the succubi - and you're doing basically all of the same evil stuff up until that point, in fact you absolutely MUST kill succubi in order to even get a good ending with one, so there doesn't seem to be any sort of message coming across other than, "You're always going to get shafted when you complete the games quest".

To me it's a bigger problem that there is no emotional conclusion to the game other than "Damn, that sucks I guess - time to mess around with succubi waifus now." It's definitely not a tragic ending, it's just an annoying one. A tragic ending would be something like - Luna comes back, but as a demon and Jake has to run around hiding the fact that she's eating babies, or Luna comes back and is horrified at what Jake has done and kills herself, only for Jake to start the process all over again. Thoses are tragic endings. You getting aced by the obvious set up that was telegraphed a dozen miles away is not tragic.

This game was reasonably inexpensive, so I'm not too grumpy about it, but if I knew that the main story ending was so underwhelming then I would have probably given it a pass.

[Jet Magnum]

Yeah, kinda confused about the "no good ending" statement--I even flat out stated that the only reason I got this one was the implication that I COULD work for a good ending, and it's confirmed that they're a thing...and you don't get them by being a good person, just by playing favorites while still murdering. Though now that I know the devs are reading I hope their response isn't to take those away and add some new dark twist onto each one...would kinda regret my purchase if it came to that.

[stranger]

How about the "good ending" is Jake doesn't summon anything, just grieves a couple of months and then moves on with his life like any normal person would do and maybe in the future finds someone new. Though the game would be pretty short with that ending.

[j_saalbach]

You know considering the stuff going on with a widower who is still struggling with the lose and he realizes he's trapped between 2 sides he has no real guarantee their even helping him or just using her or if he has a soul. He has no means to make sure or force them to give him evidence or something that would prove it. Only letters and words.

The story does show he has little trust in him. Considering both sides have effectively not giving him much info and personally both sides are using him for their own ends.

Considering his emotionally unstable to a point and likely a bit crazy. Their is a chance he could actually try to come up with if he has any options of his own. With so little info other than the fact he can gain conversational skills from succubus's essence this could cause him to get a very dangerous idea. like why is it that he's only limited to this couldn't he use that essence to make himself stronger strong enough to force both sides to give him a straight answer.

This could lead to a much more dangerous path not simply for the fact that he's perusing this with little idea for himself what will be the side effects but in fact he's both figuratively and literally turning himself into a monster by using power that is only suppose to be for demons into a human body. Likely corrupting himself in ways that not even the 2 sides could predict.

Who knows what the end result could be a mindless raging monster some kind of powerful entity fueled by pain and grief, a power man dictator who views that his past life is nothing and wants to have vengeance on the demon world for what both sides put him though to take over.
Who knows? But that could be an interesting extension by giving the main character a 3rd option of descending down into tragedy where he could loose his way fully on why he was taking power in the first place only to have his actions loose not only himself and the memory of why but also even his original goal.

This would also likely be an interesting result of something that neither side seems to be able to predict since they seem to only thing that he has options presented to him that they gave him. they don't seem to think that something could go wrong with either of their plans so if the main character chose a 3rd path that's something that both sides would be ill prepared for.

It would also be a tragidy due to that their would be no real winner in that with both either demon side or the main character due to he not only lost his wife but also himself in a way that's worse than death.

[伊邪那美太太]

Originally posted by Jet Magnum:

Yeah, kinda confused about the "no good ending" statement--I even flat out stated that the only reason I got this one was the implication that I COULD work for a good ending, and it's confirmed that they're a thing...and you don't get them by being a good person, just by playing favorites while still murdering. Though now that I know the devs are reading I hope their response isn't to take those away and add some new dark twist onto each one...would kinda regret my purchase if it came to that.

Escape as soon as possible, before it's too late
they probably are

[CherryKiss]

hmm? another ending possibility?? Well, when the 30,000 essence portion of the game came up, it occurred to me that you could assign succubi to both ruins and shrine at the same time, and could even make it so both sides got 30K essence points at the exact same time... I'm not sure what currently happens in the game if you do this, but I think it would be really awesome if there was some sort of super secret ending that you could get by setting this up instead of taking one side over the other.