I figured out why this is so bad

[Tore]

I could never really put my finger on why this game and this series is just so awful, and before you jump down my throat, no it is not because it is "hard", it's actually not hard at all because being "hard" would mean it relies entirely on some sort of intellectual capacity to beat you. This game does not rely on intellect, it relies on cheating. That's why it always feels and plays so awful. That's why you die in moments that really make zero sense.

Elden Ring does not require you to be an amazing player, it doesn't require you to have a massive skill ceiling, it requires you to cheat. You MUST research, cheese, or memorize in order to win. That's it. You cannot out skill this game, ever. Nobody at this game is really "good" in the sense that they have some sort of competitive edge outside of PVP players, but that is an entirely different can of worms.

This game rewards the idiot that goes to google and looks up where to find what and how. It rewards people that use cheese tactics to gain an advantage.

If this was not this case it wouldn't do this.

The creator of this game did not want to make a high skill ceiling masterpiece, he wanted to troll idiots with "art". The game is designed to win and cheat against you in every way possible, that's not because it's a new "genre" it's because the people making it are complete idiots that didn't want to put the effort into designing something truly difficult, they wanted players to -think- they had will putting in as little work as possible.

Timing.

You are tricked into believing "well if you just learn the timing of attacks..." and to that I say, you're an idiot. You're a lamb being lead to slaughter. A cult member drinking the kool-aid. You are playing "Groundhog Day" the video game. In a sick loop painstakingly measuring and observing each and every movement. That is because it is far easier to make you study some over the top attack pattern than it is to develop an enemy that challenges you're abilities while remaining dangerous at all times, which is where they fail.

Danger.

If the devs understood that every boss fight didn't need to be a nail biting insanity trip of constant edging, they would be able to build actual anticipation to these battles, to which there is none. There is no feeling at any point where you're wondering "how will this go", no it's quite the opposite, You enter a fight and immediately understand you're about to get pummeled by some cheap anime knockoff monster that goes full REEEEEEE throwing everything and the kitchen sink at your face.


THIS GAME IS AN ART NERDS TROLL ON GAMERS. That is it. It is nothing more than that.

[Artek [General]]

Първоначално публикувано от Dova Sos:

Tell me. Do you kill the dragon in Caelid level 1 for 120k runes ? Most likely yes because you consider it not a cheat. But it is

I am genuinely curious to hear the logic behind this statement.

[EF_Neo1st]

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Първоначално публикувано от Dova Sos:

Tell me. Do you kill the dragon in Caelid level 1 for 120k runes ? Most likely yes because you consider it not a cheat. But it is

I am genuinely curious to hear the logic behind this statement.

Logic?
What is it?

[Xengre]

Първоначално публикувано от Dova Sos:

Hello OP

Most of the replies I read are confirming your thesis that they are cheaters. Some of them I recognize as bad forum reputation too. I also cheat. For example GAOLS when the boss comes from the fog there are 4-5 seconds that the boss is just walking and you can take a big chunk of his health before the fight even starts.

But you can ask yourself the question - provided that From Soft clearly cheats with absurd boss moves and absurd damage, why wouldn't I cheat back too ?

Well, considering you can get so tanky that only like two attacks in the entire game (DLC included) can still 1-shot you (and I'm not sure they can at maximum tank stats, I know Waterfowl cannot) and the fact you can get tanky enough that almost any boss needs to hit you 8-20x to kill you before you need to even heal... I'm going to have to disagree.

Considering shields can nullify nearly 100% of all forms of dmg in this game... I'm going to have to disagree.

Considering multiple methods of staggering bosses and poise breaking them exist, and I don't mean cheese exploitative ones... I'm going to have to disagree.

Considering numerous builds that can annihilate most bosses in seconds without cheese setups exist.... I'm going to have to disagree.

Considering Ash of War and Magic Spam can often beat most bosses without much thought with quite a few AoW / Spell selections and not just specific cheese ones... I'm going to have to disagree.

Considering general player damage is excessively high in favor of the player as is general survivability... I'm going to have to strongly disagree.

Considering quite a few Spirit Ashes can solo most bosses apparently, not to mention make them far easier in general when you help them... I'm going to have to very strongly disagree.

Considering most of the "hard" bosses in the game are simply a Vigor check or require the utmost basic tactical considerations... I'm going to have to disagree.

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Първоначално публикувано от EF_Neo1st:

So button mashing now is skill according to you, thank you for providing such low standards opinion.

Tell me. Do you kill the dragon in Caelid level 1 for 120k runes ? Most likely yes because you consider it not a cheat. But it is

Well, considering I beat the entire game, and have played the DLC, all at RL1 (without spirit ashes, without coop, without shields, without cheese) and never leveled on my main ever (only using a backup save to help people in coop), not to mention other players who far exceed me, yet I don't feel the game is imbalanced even then aside from a few questionable DLC parts I know leveling would fix... I'm definitely going to have to say there is a pretty glaring flaw with yours and OP's logic.

[Panpan2019]

Plus, how is killing the Drake Mother in Caelid a cheat? It is killing an enemy to get runes... just like every other thing in the game.
Just because you get a helluva lot of runes from killing her doesn't make it a cheat. Do you complain when you get 400k+ runes from beating a boss?

[dMn]

git gud

[ValiantToast]

bro you are hilarious! that said, I'm not giving this the honor of a clown award bc I don't encourage troll award farming

[vamirez]

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Plus, how is killing the Drake Mother in Caelid a cheat? It is killing an enemy to get runes... just like every other thing in the game.
Just because you get a helluva lot of runes from killing her doesn't make it a cheat. Do you complain when you get 400k+ runes from beating a boss?

Do I personally think it's lame to start a new run by running over there to get some levels immediately?
Yes. And I think the same about running for items.
But are these cheats?
No.
Do I care how you play and how you have fun?
Not at all - I'm happy if you like the game and have fun.

Games had things like this in them since the dawn of time. If you know where item XY is, you can get it immediately. If you know how to get some easy levels, etc.
It's an invalid argument that is based on the undying notion that using half of the items or mechanics in the game is "cheating" or "cheesing the game" because the true Souls player (TM) ofc beats everything solo with a one-handed sword.
Which NONE of these games ever promoted. This is purely a player created myth.

[Darth Invader]

Sucks when somebody starts a thread like this then abandons it.

[EF_Neo1st]

Първоначално публикувано от Darth Invader:

Sucks when somebody starts a thread like this then abandons it.

Because it is not a topic, it is just a "I am bad therefore game bad" rant-like review posted on the forum disguised as a topic.

[Darth Invader]

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Първоначално публикувано от Darth Invader:

Sucks when somebody starts a thread like this then abandons it.

Because it is not a topic, it is just a "I am bad therefore game bad" rant-like review posted on the forum disguised as a topic.

Yeah but, you know dude spent all afternoon typing it. You'd think he'd circle back around at some point to check in on things. No biggie though. I thought it was actually a decent read compared to the usual "gaem sUcKs no ultRa-WiDe" drivel. Oh well. Y'all be good.

[Nauct]

Първоначално публикувано от EF_Neo1st:

Първоначално публикувано от Dova Sos:

Tell me. Do you kill the dragon in Caelid level 1 for 120k runes ? Most likely yes because you consider it not a cheat. But it is

I already killed it early (dont know, lvl 5, 10, 15, I dont remember).
So going to higher lvl areas early on or against enemies that are tankier or deal more damage early on is cheating now???
Being able to dodge stuff and attack at the right time every time, or most of the time, to not get hit is now cheating?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-bVEc8oZvk

Ok then after you beat the game once (any game, literally) you only cheat then because you already know everything and can get through everywhere much easier now that you know it all and got the hang of the gameplay loop?

Really, try harder next time, I am responding to your bait but you are doing it with very little effort at this point...

Besides, DS3 was my first Souls and souls-like game, after I learned how to play against Abyss Watchers I went through the game beating bosses 1st to 3rd try, including Pontiff that was 1st try (tho it took me long enough that I watched him do his moves so I could find openings and attack only when I considered to be safe... but was 1st try regardless), where only Gael, Friede, Midir and Nameless King were more of a trouble (some 9 tries on Nameless King .. 6 on the bird and 3 on the Nameless King himself, some other 9 to 12 tries on Gael, 4 hours at Friede and 5 hours at Midir) I dont remember exactly but I think the final boss was some 6 to 9 tries too ...
So I did cheat all the way through on my first plathrough blind and solo (not checking on guides, videos or forum on how to do stuff, where to go, etc, inclduing to learn the game mechanics)?

Just tell me if I cheated there too.

You're cheating if you level up, use magic/summons/items, or look anything up

[Don Lobo]

Първоначално публикувано от Nauct:

You're cheating if you level up, use magic/summons/items, or look anything up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU

Real pros don't even own the game. Those are the true GAMERZ! Yes, with a Z so you know they're really real.

[EF_Neo1st]

Първоначално публикувано от Nauct:

Първоначално публикувано от EF_Neo1st:

I already killed it early (dont know, lvl 5, 10, 15, I dont remember).
So going to higher lvl areas early on or against enemies that are tankier or deal more damage early on is cheating now???
Being able to dodge stuff and attack at the right time every time, or most of the time, to not get hit is now cheating?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-bVEc8oZvk

Ok then after you beat the game once (any game, literally) you only cheat then because you already know everything and can get through everywhere much easier now that you know it all and got the hang of the gameplay loop?

Really, try harder next time, I am responding to your bait but you are doing it with very little effort at this point...

Besides, DS3 was my first Souls and souls-like game, after I learned how to play against Abyss Watchers I went through the game beating bosses 1st to 3rd try, including Pontiff that was 1st try (tho it took me long enough that I watched him do his moves so I could find openings and attack only when I considered to be safe... but was 1st try regardless), where only Gael, Friede, Midir and Nameless King were more of a trouble (some 9 tries on Nameless King .. 6 on the bird and 3 on the Nameless King himself, some other 9 to 12 tries on Gael, 4 hours at Friede and 5 hours at Midir) I dont remember exactly but I think the final boss was some 6 to 9 tries too ...
So I did cheat all the way through on my first plathrough blind and solo (not checking on guides, videos or forum on how to do stuff, where to go, etc, inclduing to learn the game mechanics)?

Just tell me if I cheated there too.

You're cheating if you level up, use magic/summons/items, or look anything up

I dont use magic/summons/items and dont look up anything ... sad that I level up...

[Burns]

Първоначално публикувано от Don Lobo:

Първоначално публикувано от Nauct:

You're cheating if you level up, use magic/summons/items, or look anything up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU

Real pros don't even own the game. Those are the true GAMERZ! Yes, with a Z so you know they're really real.

Sorry bud, I believe you re forgetting the central tenet of any respectable pro gamer....

....yes, they do not even own the game.... but win anyway

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Първоначално публикувано от Nauct:

You're cheating if you level up, use magic/summons/items, or look anything up

I dont use magic/summons/items and dont look up anything ... sad that I level up... :surprisedpatrick:

That is truly disappointing. To think that everyone had such high expectations of you...

[EF_Neo1st]

Първоначално публикувано от Burns:

Първоначално публикувано от Don Lobo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU

Real pros don't even own the game. Those are the true GAMERZ! Yes, with a Z so you know they're really real.

Sorry bud, I believe you re forgetting the central tenet of any respectable pro gamer....

....yes, they do not even own the game.... but win anyway

Първоначално публикувано от EF_Neo1st:

I dont use magic/summons/items and dont look up anything ... sad that I level up...

That is truly disappointing. To think that everyone had such high expectations of you...