Godskin duo, bad?

[⋆ Beetroot ⋆]

SInce the dawn of time or when this game was released. People of all kinds have foamed at the mouth, blood boiling over into red mists over these two bosses. I honestly don't get it.

The solution:
Summon players/npcs/ashes to take aggro, sleep status, kiting them, stance breaking, using terrain to avoid being punished for drinking crimson flask. These are solutions to ease your fight that anyone with some gaming experience could generate to defeat them. But!

The responses:
"NO OMG IT'S LIKE OESTEIN AND SMOUGH FROM DS1 BUT BAD" - "THEY'RE IMPOSSIBLE!" - "I CAN'T CHEESE THEM WITH COMET AZUR!(lol)"

It's wild that people who managed to get so far into the game are filtered by it. Honestly bizzare.

[Senki]

I think people should stop immediately going towards ''they hate it because they're bad'' mentality for everything when it comes to these games

I beat Godskin duo like 10+ times by now but I still hate the fight. It's just annoying and godskin noble especially has some horribly designed attacks by itself

[Sparhawk 59]

I like putting them to sleep then kill individually, On return stand in line and you can laser them as they re summon its funny to do

[it's a gabe]

I'm pretty sure the problem comes from these being two bosses designed separately and then put together without any rebalancing to their behaviour. Another good example of a terrible pairing is the optional boss fight at Redmane Castle once the festival is over with. The Misbegotten Warrior and Crucible Knight were designed to be fought separately, not as a unit.

To address your solutions:

- Some rightfully enjoy going through the game entirely by themselves, overcoming challenges through their own merit. They might die several times to a tough boss, but they'll evetually get through the challenge thanks to such bosses being designed well. I'm not one such player. I summoned others to help me out, but that doesn't mean I don't understand where the complaint is coming from, nor do I think it's invalid.

- Sleep shouldn't be a legit solution to such a problem. Neither boss requires sleep on their own, to begin with. It only becomes necessary as a way to manage the idea of these two put together, seeing as they don't work in unison. Someone made a video explaining why this pairing (as well as the Redmane Castle one) doesn't work, using Ornstein and Smough as a comparison. Part of it is that Ornstein and Smough were designed as a single boss fight, so their AI plays just fair enough for the fight to be manageable if you pay attention. That doesn't end up being the case with other group bosses in Elden Ring, to the point where you either cheese them (which is what sleep is in this fight) or hope that your summons (players or otherwise) can deal with aggro.

- Kiting is hit or miss depending on how you're playing. Even if you have help, you still have to account for both of them as well as where everyone is so as to avoid their long-range attacks to hit summons, or even to avoid getting yourself in their potential line of attack. It all goes back to these being designed as separate boss battles and then being put together as a cheap skill check.

- Not every build can stance break realiably, which is not a problem in and of itself. You don't need to rely on that for the vast majority of fights, mostly because they're designed properly.

- Not the terrain... Can't the fat one roll over the broken pillars anyway? I've seen it happen a lot.

As for that overall "response..." So your solution is for people to cheese the fight, but their complaint that they can't cheese with their build isn't valid? That's what's honestly bizarre.

To be fair, Elden Ring is the first FromSoft soulslike where the overall opinion on boss design is mixed. Boss battles are that one thing everyone will say they're great at coming from Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and even Sekiro. Yet, even Elden Ring's best bosses are the target of fair critique regarding their AI and attack patterns, the Godskin Duo being one of the worst such encounters. That's not to say this isn't a fantastic game, but there sure are some balancing and design issues compared to previous FromSoft titles. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

[Ted]

I love ER but the Godskin Duo fight is utter and complete BS in my opinion. The fact you fight these guys multiple times throughout the game is bad enough but it just feels lazy slapping them together in the same room and calling it a boss fight.

It is made ever more annoying by the fact that attacks will clip through pillars, even though there is no way you should get hit if clipping was not a thing (a problem that I found exists in all the DS games so far).

I have no issue using sleep, Summons and Mimic Tear in this fight, it's BS and I always just want it gone as I find it irritating.

[Sonnenbank]

Originally posted by Womens' rights:

SInce the dawn of time or when this game was released. People of all kinds have foamed at the mouth, blood boiling over into red mists over these two bosses. I honestly don't get it.

The solution:
Summon players/npcs/ashes to take aggro, sleep status, kiting them, stance breaking, using terrain to avoid being punished for drinking crimson flask. These are solutions to ease your fight that anyone with some gaming experience could generate to defeat them. But!

People like you seem pretty unsmart to be honest.
Summoning Knight Bernahl or a Spirit Ash is not the Solution.....
This also tells me that you have never been good at any souls game ever
you simply dont know the feeling of beating a boss by your own skill on the gamepad instead of "tools"

Who says the goal in a Souls game is to beat bosses no matter what ?
Who says Godskin are not liked because people cant beat them ?

Knight Bernahl can almost solo the complete fight if you keep him alive by throwing in the occasional r1 to draw attention every now and then.

Does this make the fight good ?
No
It makes the fight super cringe easy.

but easy and fun are 2 different things

Renalla for example is a super easy fight when playing melee
but its stupid and not fun... its a meme
Phase 1 hit children. while dodging occaionally flying books.. Phase 2 -> close distance , run in , i frame jump through the beam and just smash her till she breaks down -> riposte GG
Super easy -> super unfun

Malenia is one of the harder bosses , but super fun ;)

Only people who have never been good at any souls game ever think that difficulty and fun are the same thing >-<

[⋆ Beetroot ⋆]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Originally posted by Womens' rights:

SInce the dawn of time or when this game was released. People of all kinds have foamed at the mouth, blood boiling over into red mists over these two bosses. I honestly don't get it.

The solution:
Summon players/npcs/ashes to take aggro, sleep status, kiting them, stance breaking, using terrain to avoid being punished for drinking crimson flask. These are solutions to ease your fight that anyone with some gaming experience could generate to defeat them. But!

People like you seem pretty unsmart to be honest.
Summoning Knight Bernahl or a Spirit Ash is not the Solution.....
This also tells me that you have never been good at any souls game ever
you simply dont know the feeling of beating a boss by your own skill on the gamepad instead of "tools"

Who says the goal in a Souls game is to beat bosses no matter what ?
Who says Godskin are not liked because people cant beat them ?

Knight Bernahl can almost solo the complete fight if you keep him alive by throwing in the occasional r1 to draw attention every now and then.

Does this make the fight good ?
No
It makes the fight super cringe easy.

but easy and fun are 2 different things

Renalla for example is a super easy fight when playing melee
but its stupid and not fun... its a meme
Phase 1 hit children. while dodging occaionally flying books.. Phase 2 -> close distance , run in , i frame jump through the beam and just smash her till she breaks down -> riposte GG
Super easy -> super unfun

Malenia is one of the harder bosses , but super fun ;)

Only people who have never been good at any souls game ever think that difficulty and fun are the same thing >-<

Thank you for insulting me twice and making assumptions of my play/skill and that.

Summoning/etc is a choice, people can impose self-made challenges, but shouldn't complain when it makes things harder.

When you said "Who says Godskin are not liked because people cant beat them ?" is funny. Because, it's just that. It goes back to self-imposed challenges or perhaps lack of game knowledge. Lastly,

please don't get so high and mighty when talking to others. People don't enjoy being talked down to. Stay humble.

[Betrayal]

Originally posted by Womens' rights:

SInce the dawn of time or when this game was released. People of all kinds have foamed at the mouth, blood boiling over into red mists over these two bosses. I honestly don't get it.

The solution:
Summon players/npcs/ashes to take aggro, sleep status, kiting them, stance breaking, using terrain to avoid being punished for drinking crimson flask. These are solutions to ease your fight that anyone with some gaming experience could generate to defeat them. But!

The responses:
"NO OMG IT'S LIKE OESTEIN AND SMOUGH FROM DS1 BUT BAD" - "THEY'RE IMPOSSIBLE!" - "I CAN'T CHEESE THEM WITH COMET AZUR!(lol)"

It's wild that people who managed to get so far into the game are filtered by it. Honestly bizzare.

They are not hard, even without using help, ashes, sleep or other cheese ♥♥♥♥.
I don't get it either. Killed them in the third atempt. There are much harder bosses.

[Faust Wither]

people always rushing thing without proper knowledge of the game.

[Sonnenbank]

Originally posted by Womens' rights:

When you said "Who says Godskin are not liked because people cant beat them ?" is funny. Because, it's just that. It goes back to self-imposed challenges or perhaps lack of game knowledge. Lastly,

please don't get so high and mighty when talking to others. People don't enjoy being talked down to. Stay humble.

you just confirm what i said in my post.
you dont even understand what you dont understand because you have never been there ;)

you can just throw sleep pots on them and kill them in their sleep without them fighting back
you can use Knight Bernahl who can almost solo them.

These are 2 very easy ways to win
but they are not fun ways to win for people who are good at the game.

[Faust Wither]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Originally posted by Womens' rights:

When you said "Who says Godskin are not liked because people cant beat them ?" is funny. Because, it's just that. It goes back to self-imposed challenges or perhaps lack of game knowledge. Lastly,

please don't get so high and mighty when talking to others. People don't enjoy being talked down to. Stay humble.

you just confirm what i said in my post.
you dont even understand what you dont understand because you have never been there ;)

you can just throw sleep pots on them and kill them in their sleep without them fighting back
you can use Knight Bernahl who can almost solo them.

These are 2 very easy ways to win
but they are not fun ways to win for people who are good at the game.

i get it being stupid always fun, because you dont need thinking at all, you can play the way you wanted, but the problem OP said is that people complaining about it. while there are way to do beat some boss properly.