great jar challenge is a load of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[M. Heemeyer]

here, try to run past these two op stone giant sniper archers who might as well be shooting homing missiles and then eventually you might have only needed to use 2 of your estus then you get to summon the 1st of the 3 massively OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whos gonna one tap you or come in 3 points of it because they're all massive fagioli with gank builds so good luck making it past the 1st nevermind the 3. Oh no wow you died again i cant believe it oh well enjoy you marathon of a godforsaken runback!

oh and no summons/ashes bc ♥♥♥♥ you

Whos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idea was this ♥♥♥♥??

[megareader5000]

Originally posted by M. Heemeyer:

Originally posted by megareader5000:

Originally posted by M. Heemeyer:

OK, fine. What level vigor would you say is the acceptable minimum to attempt this fight? I'll set my level to it right now.

I'd go 35ish if I'm thinking right

[DragonSoundxSG]

40 Vig 30 end and 25 - 30 in main damage stat. Dump Arc and Int or Fth, whichever you don't need.

If you're medium rolling, pump up the defenses and make sure you can sunblock or knockdown. Those phantoms hit hard. But it's easy to keep em down.

Oh and allocate most of your flasks to HP. You don't have enough room to cast during the fights.

[M. Heemeyer]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

40 Vig 30 end and 25 - 30 in main damage stat. Dump Arc and Int or Fth, whichever you don't need.

bet

[Mewsha]

It is quite annoying, but you can do this at any point in the game. If your weapons aren't dealing enough damage to them, then it's best to just come back later when you do more damage. They're not tied to any quests as far as I know.

I'd say having at least 30 vigor is good to have as that's about at midgame, just before Atlus Plateau and you'd be in the middle of Ranni's questline unless you somehow stumbled upon that area very early.

And yeah your stat split is pretty wild. That's the main problem here. In general splitting stats early game is a bad idea. You can do it, but you're also going to get dog walked in a lot of encounters like the one you mentioned where you can't rely on summons to do the heavy lifting your build isn't able to do.

I don't know why you're investing almost every damage stat. I can't think of a build where that's a good idea, but split builds like quality (dex/strength) usually only come online late game or NG+ because you have to invest a lot of points into two different stats.

Like, people get so obsessed with vigor, but even with the proper vigor, 25 strength, 24 dex, 24 int, and 24 faith is doing yourself such a disservice. I don't even think 60 vigor would make that fight any easier. It's time to go to Rennala and respec. No shade.

[M. Heemeyer]

Originally posted by Mewsha:

It is quite annoying, but you can do this at any point in the game. If your weapons aren't dealing enough damage to them, then it's best to just come back later when you do more damage. They're not tied to any quests as far as I know.

I'd say having at least 30 vigor is good to have as that's about at midgame, just before Atlus Plateau and you'd be in the middle of Ranni's questline unless you somehow stumbled upon that area very early.

And yeah your stat split is pretty wild. That's the main problem here. In general splitting stats early game is a bad idea. You can do it, but you're also going to get dog walked in a lot of encounters like the one you mentioned where you can't rely on summons to do the heavy lifting your build isn't able to do.

I don't know why you're investing almost every damage stat. I can't think of a build where that's a good idea, but split builds like quality (dex/strength) usually only come online late game or NG+ because you have to invest a lot of points into two different stats.

Like, people get so obsessed with vigor, but even with the proper vigor, 25 strength, 24 dex, 24 int, and 24 faith is doing yourself such a disservice. I don't even think 60 vigor would make that fight any easier. It's time to go to Rennala and respec. No shade.

Actually been to Altus and just finished Ranni's quest lol IDK I've been doing alright with it, only just started putting into int/fai once I got the sword of night and flame just so I could use it but otherwise I'm str/dex 2 handing.

I got started with Rennala, got through the dog, I'll finish the area tomorrow and do the respec then see where it gets me.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by M. Heemeyer:

Originally posted by Mewsha:

It is quite annoying, but you can do this at any point in the game. If your weapons aren't dealing enough damage to them, then it's best to just come back later when you do more damage. They're not tied to any quests as far as I know.

I'd say having at least 30 vigor is good to have as that's about at midgame, just before Atlus Plateau and you'd be in the middle of Ranni's questline unless you somehow stumbled upon that area very early.

And yeah your stat split is pretty wild. That's the main problem here. In general splitting stats early game is a bad idea. You can do it, but you're also going to get dog walked in a lot of encounters like the one you mentioned where you can't rely on summons to do the heavy lifting your build isn't able to do.

I don't know why you're investing almost every damage stat. I can't think of a build where that's a good idea, but split builds like quality (dex/strength) usually only come online late game or NG+ because you have to invest a lot of points into two different stats.

Like, people get so obsessed with vigor, but even with the proper vigor, 25 strength, 24 dex, 24 int, and 24 faith is doing yourself such a disservice. I don't even think 60 vigor would make that fight any easier. It's time to go to Rennala and respec. No shade.

Actually been to Altus and just finished Ranni's quest lol IDK I've been doing alright with it, only just started putting into int/fai once I got the sword of night and flame just so I could use it but otherwise I'm str/dex 2 handing.

I got started with Rennala, got through the dog, I'll finish the area tomorrow and do the respec then see where it gets me.

VIG for more health
END for more stamina and being able to wear more armor without fatrolling (or maybe some armor while lightrolling)
I dont know what weapon you using but focus just on the stats of your weapon and nothing else so you can have "better damage".
I think out of all the status you have you can have at least some 40 VIG 40 END (what is enogh to have some good armor and medroll)and stil have 50 points you can spend anywhere else (either your damaging stats for your weapon, more VIG, I dont know, your call).
But having 25 at each "damage stat" while I am almost sure you dont use even half of those stats is just a waste of your points, there with your build:

Originally posted by M. Heemeyer:

>inb4 "ur underleveled git gud" ♥♥♥ im 91 w 20vig 21end 25str 24dex/int/fai and i just came from doing godskin apostle after radahn this fight just sucks ass

You are literally with 20VIG 21END 25STR 24DEX (I chosen 2 stats only) making you be lvl 50 in terms of effectiveness not lvl 91 so yes ... I would say you are somewhat underleveled (it is possible to do the job there but you need to improve your skills and understanding of the game enough to not get hit and to hit the enemies lots of times).
With more VIG, more END and more damage stats you can get hit more times until you die and need to hit enemies less times to kill.

[DayLight1943]

Originally posted by Gamerzilla:

I mean, you could use the sword of night and flame pretty effectively with that build. It scales off 4 stats. Big damage!

if he's using sword of night + flame he should have min req in str/dex for RL90. im sure OP would feel like they cant effectively use some thing they need the str/dex for, but the fact of the matter is, if thats the case, RL90 is simply to low to be running the build they have in mind, and they need to dial it way back and view leveling str/dex for additional weapons as a sort of final phase in the buildmaking.

[DragonSoundxSG]

The Sword of Night and Flame is meant for higher level builds. It's not optimal at lower levels. It pairs well with Prince of Death's Staff and Golden Order Seal once you become worthy enough to wield them (hint: 80/80). Stick to one primary damage stat early on.

[Sc0rpiTr0n]

Your Vigor is too low. I would have 40 or 50 by that point.

Use Giant Hunt AoW with Cold Affinity on some halberd or greatsword.

[Sabaithal]

Do it in offline mode. It uses preset NPC builds instead.

[Jámez Bondo]

farm until you have 50-60 vigor if you are having problems

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Jámez Bondo:

farm until you have 50-60 vigor if you are having problems

That is afallacy unless you try to rely on getting hit 2, 3 or more timres before getting killed. For NG 30 VIG is enough to not get 1shot (use armor).

[Jámez Bondo]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by Jámez Bondo:

farm until you have 50-60 vigor if you are having problems

That is afallacy unless you try to rely on getting hit 2, 3 or more timres before getting killed. For NG 30 VIG is enough to not get 1shot (use armor).

They will have to rely on that. It's not about minmaxing oneshots but giving yourself as much buffer and as many opportunities as possible to succeed any given attempt. OP is clearly frustrated and that's the first thing that needs addressing. Dying 100 times vs. dying 30 times in an hour is a massive difference when it comes to the playing experience.

[Sc0rpiTr0n]

Originally posted by Jámez Bondo:

It's not about minmaxing oneshots but giving yourself as much buffer and as many opportunities as possible to succeed any given attempt.

I agree. More health=more mistakes you can afford.
Always very useful but more so if someone is struggling.

If you don't make mistake great, but if you do you'll be glad you've invested in health.
Wearing some damage reduction talismans also helps a lot.

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by M. Heemeyer:

here, try to run past these two op stone giant sniper archers who might as well be shooting homing missiles and then eventually you might have only needed to use 2 of your estus then you get to summon the 1st of the 3 massively OP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whos gonna one tap you or come in 3 points of it because they're all massive fagioli with gank builds so good luck making it past the 1st nevermind the 3. Oh no wow you died again i cant believe it oh well enjoy you marathon of a godforsaken runback!

oh and no summons/ashes bc ♥♥♥♥ you

Whos ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idea was this ♥♥♥♥??

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