Invaders ruin the CO-OP experience?

[BiomageHun]

Nop, heres why, the boss mean to be solo killed, if you inv some1 to help you kill it, then its not balanced anymore, so invaders its like a guardian angel who just protect bosses to be kiled fast
:I good luck to judge this

[echo_ML]

megareader5000 lähetti viestin:

the average invader is certainly not built around doing only invasions

I'd actually disagree, most good invaders (including myself) specifically build and get setups for dealing with invasions.

[megareader5000]

echo_ML lähetti viestin:

megareader5000 lähetti viestin:

the average invader is certainly not built around doing only invasions

I'd actually disagree, most good invaders (including myself) specifically build and get setups for dealing with invasions.

yes, good invaders do that, but I was referring to the average invader (although I do play on Xbox, so my opinion may not be representative of the majority of the playerbase)

[Riskbreaker Y]

2025 and red man still bad

[Sc0rpiTr0n]

Malorn lähetti viestin:

invaders are ultimately playing the game to fight people who do not want to fight them.
they do not want a fair fight.

What I don't like is that invasions are a huge difficulty spike with zero reward. They are literally wasting my time

Very nice comment, a lot of good points.

I think it is not fair to say invaders only invade people
who don't want to fight them but I believe often that is true.

Invasions are not fair from invaders' point of view as well,
they often have to fight 3 people (and reinforcements) and even
3 PvE players pose significant threat to invader.

I like idea of better rewards for invasions but
runes are mostly useless for experienced players.

I think it would be better if there was chance for killed player
to drop equipment they were using, similar to monsters in the game.

Imagine being invaded by twink wielding DLC stuff in Limgrave
but if you kill him you have chance to maybe grab DLC weapon from him yourself.

You would have much more incentive to fight invader
then and not see it as a waste of time.

[Darth Invader]

Hello.

My name is Darth, and I'm an invaderholic.

It started in 2016, just killing a host here and there, nothing too major.

Then, one day in early 2017, I started killing phantoms, and I became addicted.

I used to wake up early just to kill phantoms.

I used to dream about killing phantoms at work, at school, even on vacation.

I didn't eat, I didn't sleep... I was obsessed.

My whole existence became killing phantoms.

That's pretty much it. I still love killing phantoms to this day. No happy endings here.

inb4 ok edgelord.

[Lord Bob]

Darth Invader lähetti viestin:

inb4 ok edgelord

ok edgelord

[Darth Invader]

Lord Bob lähetti viestin:

Darth Invader lähetti viestin:

inb4 ok edgelord

ok edgelord

:er_heart:

I'm tellin' ya Bob, there's only so much abuse I can take...

You got the race car in the red... and alls I'm sayin' is it's dangerous to have a race car in the red...

[CB]

coping

you were out of material when you tried the reddit-tier 'i just can't say anything without being told to git gud!' quip. i'd say nice try but it wasn't. you've got similar talent at forum pvp as you do elden ring pvp, apparently.

Frankly, the invader being 2-1 addresses some the above problems, it's a major improvement. But invaders are ultimately playing the game to fight people who do not want to fight them. This is why invader-mains oppose any idea of someone being able to turn off invasions, this is why they complained about Elden ring making invasions a co-op only thing. This is fundamentally why they don't just do duels in the coliseum, because they do not want a fair fight.

if you invaded, you'd understand, but let me try to explain. 1v1s? duels? are dull. it's what you get when people wish they were playing a fighting game but they don't want to deal with fighting game players. elden ring, as you may or may not have noticed, is not actually a fighting game. it's this game with maps you can run around in and with these items you can use and all this possibility space you can explore. there are no rules. there's so much you can just *do*.

They are literally wasting my time, as I spend a lot of time fighting them, practically a mini-boss battle at minimum, in some cases harder than actual bosses, and I gain nothing.

the experience is the reward. you get to fight against something that isn't following a script, is actually trying to beat you, and isn't taking breather rounds so you can get fair hits in.

do you *really* gain anything by beating the bosses in the game? do you really care about the chunk of runes and the loot or do you care about the boss fights for the boss fights? are you really only interested in the material rewards, or do you enjoy the challenge and spectacle? speaking of:

If you invaders don't like the idea of potentially losing runes

invaders don't care about losing or gaining runes. we aren't in this for material rewards. sole exception being that i really wanted to finally have maxed-out rune arcs and furled finger remedies so the item popup wouldn't be there during the invasion win fadeout.

the risk to invading is that you might end up in a world where three people are trying to kill you. they don't need to attach anything to it. even when there were covenant rewards in the earlier games nobody apart from tourists cared about them.

Now when I fight an invader, I'm not wasting my time anymore.

here's an idea: instead of pouting and acting like someone is wasting your time, try playing along. it's not the game or invader's fault that the invader ended up in *your* world, specifically, so why act like such a victim? try to learn how to have fun even if someone else might have some at your expense. it'll help you shed the 'i'm taking my ball and going home' energy. finally:

This means the 'best' move as the host is to go jump off a cliff in a safe spot: the invasion ends, the invader is bored, and I just quickly grab my runes afterwards and re-summon my buddy. I'm guessing you invaders aren't a huge fan of such a response, right?

no, absolutely not. we laugh really hard at that and it tells us that you know you can't win. and it's not like it takes much effort to get back in the queue and into the next world. if you want to annoy invaders, you need to beat us, and there's no way around that.

[BoD[6-4]]

CB lähetti viestin:

here's an idea: instead of pouting and acting like someone is wasting your time, try playing along. it's not the game or invader's fault that the invader ended up in *your* world, specifically, so why act like such a victim? try to learn how to have fun even if someone else might have some at your expense. it'll help you shed the 'i'm taking my ball and going home' energy.

What a great idea to tell someone "try considering fun doing chasing simulator, hide'n seek and dealing with garbage netcode which makes pvp enviroment utter garbage". It sure is a great tip.

It's not like we have nfs hot pursuit for who wants to do chasing simulator, pvp games with decent netcode (even if they're old) for those who wanna pvp or dead by daylight for those who wanna do hide'n seek

[megareader5000]

BoD6-4 lähetti viestin:

CB lähetti viestin:

here's an idea: instead of pouting and acting like someone is wasting your time, try playing along. it's not the game or invader's fault that the invader ended up in *your* world, specifically, so why act like such a victim? try to learn how to have fun even if someone else might have some at your expense. it'll help you shed the 'i'm taking my ball and going home' energy.

What a great idea to tell someone "try considering fun doing chasing simulator, hide'n seek and dealing with garbage netcode which makes pvp enviroment utter garbage". It sure is a great tip.

It's not like we have nfs hot pursuit for who wants to do chasing simulator, pvp games with decent netcode (even if they're old) for those who wanna pvp or dead by daylight for those who wanna do hide'n seek

the two options you have have already been touched upon, and neither of them involved this much whining

[CB]

What a great idea to tell someone "try considering fun doing chasing simulator, hide'n seek and dealing with garbage netcode which makes pvp enviroment utter garbage". It sure is a great tip.

well, that's the thing. you might actually end up having fun with invasions if you drop the pouty attitude over them. you aren't going to shrivel up and die if someone has fun at your expense, even if you're absolutely dedicated to acting that way.

i'm not sure if it's this thread or one of the many others, but someone brought up watching streams to see how people respond, and how it's generally not this performance art woe is me stuff that you'd do; how most people are actually well-adjusted enough to not have a loss in a video game ruin their entire lives. it's a you problem.

this is why i suggest invasions to people such as yourself. you're going to lose at them, but you'll grow up a little in the process, and then you'll finally realize like all those streamers who are over it within seconds that it's not the end of the world to lose to another player in a video game.

[BoD[6-4]]

CB lähetti viestin:

you aren't going to shrivel up and die if someone has fun at your expense

And why should I let someone have fun at my expenses?
I have nothing to gain but time to waste just for the sake of someone else's fun.
Would any of you actually do such a thing for any of us? Absolutely not.

And besides, it's not like invaders are going shrivel up and die if we have fun without them botheing us.

CB lähetti viestin:

you might actually end up having fun with invasions if [...]

"hey guys, suddenly I find fun pvp garbage netcode and I like it when invader is a delusional being who believes I'll give him the advantage of fighting him while he's surrounded by other enemies or he hides behind an open world bossfight. Oh, and don't forget I suddenly like also when they do hide'n seek"
That's what you're suggesting.

By your logic everyone can like everything. I could challenge you to actually enjoy games like "Pollo di Pallude 3", "The quiet man", "Amy", "Pizza dude", "Polda 5" and I could go on for kinda a lot. After all "if you drop the attitude you may like it", right?

CB lähetti viestin:

most people are actually well-adjusted enough to not have a loss in a video game ruin their entire lives.

Funny thing is that you're able only to mention winning and losing, yet none of my arguments has anything to do with it.

Regardless of winning or losing, if the netcode is garbage the whole fight is garbage, meaning that it's unfun and consequently a waste of time.

Same goes for when invader do hide'n seek or chasing simulator: that's boring and regardless of winning or losing dealing with that crap is a waste of time.

Believe it or not, I won most of the invasions I received. Have I ever enjoyed one? Absolutely not. Why? Garbage netcode (which is a constant thing), chasing simulator and hide'n seek (which is pretty frequent).

[megareader5000]

BoD6-4 lähetti viestin:

CB lähetti viestin:

you aren't going to shrivel up and die if someone has fun at your expense

And why should I let someone have fun at my expenses?
I have nothing to gain but time to waste just for the sake of someone else's fun.
Would any of you actually do such a thing for any of us? Absolutely not.

And besides, it's not like invaders are going shrivel up and die if we have fun without them botheing us.

CB lähetti viestin:

you might actually end up having fun with invasions if [...]

"hey guys, suddenly I find fun pvp garbage netcode and I like it when invader is a delusional being who believes I'll give him the advantage of fighting him while he's surrounded by other enemies or he hides behind an open world bossfight. Oh, and don't forget I suddenly like also when they do hide'n seek"
That's what you're suggesting.

By your logic everyone can like everything. I could challenge you to actually enjoy games like "Pollo di Pallude 3", "The quiet man", "Amy", "Pizza dude", "Polda 5" and I could go on for kinda a lot. After all "if you drop the attitude you may like it", right?

CB lähetti viestin:

most people are actually well-adjusted enough to not have a loss in a video game ruin their entire lives.

Funny thing is that you're able only to mention winning and losing, yet none of my arguments has anything to do with it.

Regardless of winning or losing, if the netcode is garbage the whole fight is garbage, meaning that it's unfun and consequently a waste of time.

Same goes for when invader do hide'n seek or chasing simulator: that's boring and regardless of winning or losing dealing with that crap is a waste of time.

Believe it or not, I won most of the invasions I received. Have I ever enjoyed one? Absolutely not. Why? Garbage netcode (which is a constant thing), chasing simulator and hide'n seek (which is pretty frequent).

Get a life dude

[BoD[6-4]]

megareader5000 lähetti viestin:

Get a life dude

Wow, what an answer. You just won the "best debater" reward. Happy now?

[TERRØR♕]

BoD6-4 lähetti viestin:

CB lähetti viestin:

you aren't going to shrivel up and die if someone has fun at your expense

And why should I let someone have fun at my expenses?
I have nothing to gain but time to waste just for the sake of someone else's fun.
Would any of you actually do such a thing for any of us? Absolutely not.

And besides, it's not like invaders are going shrivel up and die if we have fun without them botheing us.

CB lähetti viestin:

you might actually end up having fun with invasions if [...]

"hey guys, suddenly I find fun pvp garbage netcode and I like it when invader is a delusional being who believes I'll give him the advantage of fighting him while he's surrounded by other enemies or he hides behind an open world bossfight. Oh, and don't forget I suddenly like also when they do hide'n seek"
That's what you're suggesting.

By your logic everyone can like everything. I could challenge you to actually enjoy games like "Pollo di Pallude 3", "The quiet man", "Amy", "Pizza dude", "Polda 5" and I could go on for kinda a lot. After all "if you drop the attitude you may like it", right?

CB lähetti viestin:

most people are actually well-adjusted enough to not have a loss in a video game ruin their entire lives.

Funny thing is that you're able only to mention winning and losing, yet none of my arguments has anything to do with it.

Regardless of winning or losing, if the netcode is garbage the whole fight is garbage, meaning that it's unfun and consequently a waste of time.

Same goes for when invader do hide'n seek or chasing simulator: that's boring and regardless of winning or losing dealing with that crap is a waste of time.

Believe it or not, I won most of the invasions I received. Have I ever enjoyed one? Absolutely not. Why? Garbage netcode (which is a constant thing), chasing simulator and hide'n seek (which is pretty frequent).

First of all , if an invader is running , just go on with your PVE gameplay till you reatch the boss like you are supposed to do, unless you are ganking, are you?

Secondly i cant keep seeing people crying about invasions for real , you have every possible advantage in the world that a guy can have , just have a very low amount of skill and as 3 people you should be able to beat most invaders.

If he is running , go to fog , if he is hiding go to fog , let me remind you that people getting invaded hide mutch more than invaders , and invader's objective is to kill the host so he has to search for them....on the other hand you dont have to search for anyone.