Morgott did nothing wrong (spoilers)

[Mr_Blank]

Something that bugs me about the fan base is how much a lot of us hate morgott, when he’s possibly the most redeemable god other than miquella. I will explain what each child of marika/Radagon has done to make them below morgott, and why morgott doesn’t deserve the Shade I see him getting. Reason I’m doing this is because of the Shade my man gets in the official discord.

Renalla and the Carians entered war with the golden order, but she and Radagon fell in love on the battlefield and created peace. While the peace is good, she pretty much abandons the ideals of the carians in favour of the golden order, which hurts her relationship with her troops and children. speaking of which;

Radahn didn’t start out malicious, as were told that he literally only studies gravity magic to be able to ride his horse Leonard. However, likely due to his admiration of Godfrey, he would become a warlord searching for a worthy opponent, which obviously ended in a lotta meaningless bloodshed.

Rykard left his family to create his own order, and eventually fed himself to the god devouring serpent to become immortal. In the process however, he murdered and killed thousands of warriors, as we see in his arena and I. The blasphemous blade.

Ranni started the shattering and that’s the end of that discussion.

Malenia and Miquella are both major traitors. miquella is a traitor to the erdtree because of his work on the Haligtree. Malenia literally destroyed all of caelid by using her bloom of scarlet rot. She ALSO did this to the haligtree for a purpose I do not know (feel free to mald me in the comments about it).

Mohg is a traitor because although I understand why he wanted to leave the shunning grounds he in turn created a dynasty of pure lust and terror that treats everyone who is a part of it like trash, except maybe Varre. Mohg also kidnapped a child so that’s the end of that.

Godrick stole his brother godefroys great rune after he died, making godrick a traitor, AND godrick also steals peoples limbs and grafts them to himself. His poor gatekeeper Gosfoc lost his entire arm to his evil master.

Finally Godwyns a really bad friend since he unintentionally both cursed and trapped his dragon friend fortisaxx after he died. I don’t have any arguement better than that since we know very little about him.

As for the other parents, Godfrey slaughtered an entire race of giants during the war, leaving the mountains without their main protectors to become a Chaotic land (I’m referring to the smaller giants being bullied by crows and giant hands obviously).

Marika and Radagon are the same person meaning Radagon is at fault as much as marika, who was the idiot who shattered the ring in the first place.

Morgott has not killed or fought anyone he didn’t see as a threat, as we know he fought radahn off during the shattering when the demigods raced to grab shards, and we know he only fights the tarnished because he knows they’re in search for the elden ring, and fights them again when they’re at the foot of the erdtree.

Morgott also hasn’t betrayed the erdtree or the golden order, despite all of his family doing so, and despite the erdtree shunning him And not giving him grace. He suffered the same fate as mohg in the shunning grounds yet he still serves the order.

In conclusion, morgott is the only god worth redeeming other than maybe radahn be a use of his love for Leonard, and maybe Godwyn since we don’t know a lot about him.

[SpottedHare]

I mean technically he the most active of all the demi gods and one of only two charters in ER to show agency on screen, which is unbelievable rare In a soft game as agency is something alluded to but not shown, so he's easy to hate as he ACTULLY tried to hinder us.

[Mr_Blank]

Bruh why did this blow up so far? I made a massive headcanon theory on melina that I researched and thought hard on that no one saw, and the post that took me 9 minutes gets this far

[Sono]

Morgott is tragic, despite being an omen he believed in the Golden Order and ended up as its lead adherent, becoming ruler of Lyndell. Though you never get the impression he did this to gain power for himself, but to rather fulfill his vow to protecting the Erdtree and keeping a semblance of sanity in a shattered world. It was for naught however, a vain but noble attempt. The opposite of his brother Mogh.

I will however debate Morgott was flawless. He was extremely brutal during the wars in the Shattering and did what he saw fit to protect order at any cost. Leading genocide campaigns against undesirable beings like Albinaurics and the Merchant Caravan peoples, believing them to be against Order. He was loyal, to a fault, and realized this only when he met his end at the player character, that the Greater Will doesn't actually care for any of them, only that order exists.

Godwyn was the closest thing to a traditional hero, loved by everyone and merciful to his enemies. I would assume based on what we know of peoples fondness of him, and even had miquella's admiration, should tell you he probably was a nice dude, and of course was a sacrificial lamb in the big scheme with his assassination, despite all this.

Though all things considered, yes, he probably was the least bad of the demigods, Radahn with him, considering the apocalyptic consequences Rykard, Melania and Mohg ended up doing with their actions, and Ranni's naivety with Radagon led to the Carians demise and the downfall of Raya Lucaria as time went on. Still dont know enough about Miquella to really say, but we do know he was trying to on the face resist influence from the outer gods and resurrect Godwyn through the eclipse rite, though this failed.

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Escrito originalmente por Mr_Blank:

Bruh why did this blow up so far? I made a massive headcanon theory on melina that I researched and thought hard on that no one saw, and the post that took me 9 minutes gets this far

I guess no one wanted to indulge your Melina simping. Plus, everyone is a hidden racist.

[Krazy Wallet]

Morgott deserves what he got(t). I just wish Torrent would take a massive dump on his dying corpse before he passed. We need a mod where Morgott's body ragdolls and we can fling him off the edge and watch his corpse crumple down to the tree, horns breaking at every ricochet until he finally lands at the roots of the Erdtree. Of which, the roots give him the final, proper sendoff akin to Kendra Daniels in the ending of Deadspace 1 or Olivia Pierce in Doom 2016.

There was more smearing with Kendra Daniels, so, upon reflection, I vote that be the final act in Margott's story.

[UnholyDentist]

Just ♥♥♥♥ them all up. That's what the game is about.

[GloriousZote]

Honestly I want to know more lore about the serpent-god, we know it doesn't like the erdtree and that rykard let it vore him, but uh.. anything else?

[Sabaithal]

Escrito originalmente por GloriousZote:

Honestly I want to know more lore about the serpent-god, we know it doesn't like the erdtree and that rykard let it vore him, but uh.. anything else?

After I killed it I swear on Marika I heard a voice in the distance, "Snek? Snek?! SNEEEEEEEK!!"

[An Irate Walrus]

Escrito originalmente por Sabaithal:

Escrito originalmente por GloriousZote:

Honestly I want to know more lore about the serpent-god, we know it doesn't like the erdtree and that rykard let it vore him, but uh.. anything else?

After I killed it I swear on Marika I heard a voice in the distance, "Snek? Snek?! SNEEEEEEEK!!"

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[Mr_Blank]

Escrito originalmente por Norm Macdonald's Ghost:

Escrito originalmente por Mr_Blank:

Bruh why did this blow up so far? I made a massive headcanon theory on melina that I researched and thought hard on that no one saw, and the post that took me 9 minutes gets this far

I guess no one wanted to indulge your Melina simping. Plus, everyone is a hidden racist.

Valid

[Citizen of Zozo]

Escrito originalmente por GloriousZote:

Honestly I want to know more lore about the serpent-god, we know it doesn't like the erdtree and that rykard let it vore him, but uh.. anything else?

Well it's considered a 'traitor' to the Erdtree according to some flavor text... and its imagery was beaten and destroyed during ritualistic combat in Godfrey's ancient bloodsport events.
If I had to speculate, I would say the Snake God (is its name actually Eiglay?) was likely a prominent figure during the age of the Crucible. When civilization was still primitive and savage. Maybe it even had some kind of connection with the Fire Giants. Maybe not. It could have been a predator/enemy of early humans in the Lands Between, giving Godfrey plenty of reason to hate it. Rykard and Tanith claim that it's immortal. So I can see it being a recurring problem.
I am tenuously attributing a connection to Godfrey here but it's just a guess based on his apparent interest in beating it up in effigy. It was his idea of villain imagery. Since the coliseums closed down after Godfrey was removed from power, I assume that everything to do with them was all Godfrey. They were *his* thing. A controlled bit of violence to slake the bloodlust of himself and his warriors who were unsuited to peaceful times.
So it did something to make Godfrey mad? I guess? Calling it a traitor specifically might hold some meaning. Or not. Hard to say. How could a giant snake have turned traitor? I guess it makes as much sense as the giant stormhawk, the giant lion Serosh, or the giant tortoise Miriel. Lots of talking animals. Was it allied to Godfrey and/or the Erdtree at one time and then stabbed them in the back somehow? As usual, lots of questions. Few answers.

[GloriousZote]

Escrito originalmente por Norm Macdonald's Ghost:

Escrito originalmente por Mr_Blank:

Bruh why did this blow up so far? I made a massive headcanon theory on melina that I researched and thought hard on that no one saw, and the post that took me 9 minutes gets this far

I guess no one wanted to indulge your Melina simping. Plus, everyone is a hidden racist.

Hidden?
For ToS reasons, that's a joke.

[Sabaithal]

Escrito originalmente por GloriousZote:

Escrito originalmente por Norm Macdonald's Ghost:

I guess no one wanted to indulge your Melina simping. Plus, everyone is a hidden racist.

Hidden?
For ToS reasons, that's a joke.

*Evasive* Yeah, what this guy said. Totally just a joke