What would you consider the "noob armor" of this game?

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

DS2 had the Drangleic set + Vengarl helm, DS3 had the fallen knight set. Both of these sets became associated with low-skill or more 'noobish' players due to being easy to obtain earlier on and having decent defense but low style, and would often be used by players with poor builds. What would you personally consider to be that set of this game?

For me it has to be Radahn's set, as 9 times out of 10 if I see someone wearing it they're going to get instagibbed for having low vigor. Just seems to be a common occurrence.

[vaanomega]

Maybe bannished knight armor ?
When i was doing PvP, i was using a mix between Banished knight and Veteran's Armor
(Torso and Helmet was banised knigh unaltered and veterans Hands and legs) i absolutely loved the mix of these

[ressenmacher]

I don't think it does. White Mask has some unsavory connotations, but I don't think there's a full armor set.

I suspect strongly that this is because no set has the unique characteristics that the ones noted did. Take Fallen Knight as an example. Fallen Knight armor was found (and found easily) all as one big set, was early in the game and superior to a lot of starter armor, and notably had very good fire res. The next two areas had either tons of enemies or a boss using fire damage, and because of this a lot of players put it on and never really took it off.

In Limgrave, you really don't find many full armor sets, and outside of maybe Margit's holy damage there isn't really some strong environmental factor encouraging you to improve a specific defence.

[John Titor]

Toyosatomimi no Miko님이 먼저 게시:

What would you consider the "noob armor" of this game?

I don't know, but Fire Prelate definitely has the "boob armor."

[Dollmaker]

Veteran and Radahn.

By a large margin may i add.

[Donoghu]

I have seen my fair share of Royal Remains Noob-ish users who think that its HP regenerative feature will save them when that 18% doesn't even cover a hit from regular enemies around. Often, I joined a coop mission just to see one of the guy (if not the host) wearing full Royal Remains and try to take on a boss just to see his/her HP drop by half on the first hit which is followed by me and the other trying to take on the aggro to let the other one heal... which he only do halfly and come back into the fight just to get crushed stupidly.

The Irony of thinking of the Radhan armor as a Noob-ish armor is that it's not really the case or more like that armor is actually in the sweet spot between heavy-manageable weight and protection. Especially when you have access to the better version of the Arsenal talismans.

You could also consider the Cleanrot set as a Noob-Ish early armor (prior the Radhan) considering it has good average armor on top of an high resistance to Rot, the most hatred and stressful status effect for any "noob" and it's really easy to get an hold of a full set once you got Torrent.

[Frost]

Radahn armor by a country mile.

The amount of katana wielding l2 spammers and mages i've seen in that set, oof.

[purpl3 h4z3]

Radahn set 100%

[Sabaithal]

Veterans set + Surgeons mask

Seen it far too often, and its always some bleed noob that is going to get wrecked by radagon. Half the time spamming swarm of flies, or using dual seppuku. They never learn.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

Normally I would agree with Veteran's and Radahn's, but if the type of players put into question are "noobs" to which acquire low style but easy to get armors then Radahn's and Veteran's don't really meet those qualifications.

Radahn and Commander aren't easy bosses by the average standard, in my opinion, and are mid to late game bosses.

Both the Drangleic and Fallen Knight sets are acquired very early, and with lesser requirements (Pursuer and Vordt).

[Sabaithal]

ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ님이 먼저 게시:

Normally I would agree with Veteran's and Radahn's, but if the type of players put into question are "noobs" to which acquire low style but easy to get armors then Radahn's and Veteran's don't really meet those qualifications.

Radahn and Commander aren't easy bosses by the average standard, in my opinion, and are mid to late game bosses.

I would normally agree, but we don't know how many times it took those people to beat those two bosses do we? Or extraneous factors, like needing multiple other phantoms to help them, etc.

Radahn for example is super easy to cheese with ranged attacks while just letting the NPCs draw the aggro. Just because they managed to beat those two bosses does not mean they are skilled.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

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ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ님이 먼저 게시:

Normally I would agree with Veteran's and Radahn's, but if the type of players put into question are "noobs" to which acquire low style but easy to get armors then Radahn's and Veteran's don't really meet those qualifications.

Radahn and Commander aren't easy bosses by the average standard, in my opinion, and are mid to late game bosses.

I would normally agree, but we don't know how many times it took those people to beat those two bosses do we? Or extraneous factors, like needing multiple other phantoms to help them, etc.

Radahn for example is super easy to cheese with ranged attacks while just letting the NPCs draw the aggro. Just because they managed to beat those two bosses does not mean they are skilled.

I suppose that's true.

It's pretty hard to tell with how many tools the game gives you with a wide range of circumstantial balances of power and effectiveness, you're absolutely right.

I just know for Radahn that previously he was one of the most complained about bosses in the game.
Additionally, phantoms don't really help much unless they're things like heavy spellcasters or status abusers as Radahn's moveset does really well for hitting multiple targets with its fast and wide sweeps and unpredictable target swapping.

[Sabaithal]

ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ님이 먼저 게시:

Additionally, phantoms don't really help much unless they're things like heavy spellcasters or status abusers as Radahn's moveset does really well for hitting multiple targets with its fast and wide sweeps and unpredictable target swapping.

Well was more referring to commander naill with that one. Yeah he has two banished knight summons, but without those he really isn't that difficult. I managed to bait him into using the exact same attack chain repeatedly just by walking away whenever he finished...

[Frost]

ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ님이 먼저 게시:

Normally I would agree with Veteran's and Radahn's, but if the type of players put into question are "noobs" to which acquire low style but easy to get armors then Radahn's and Veteran's don't really meet those qualifications.

Radahn and Commander aren't easy bosses by the average standard, in my opinion, and are mid to late game bosses.

Both the Drangleic and Fallen Knight sets are acquired very early, and with lesser requirements (Pursuer and Vordt).

You're also forgetting the fact that Radahn was heavily nerfed and remained that way for some time. This made the fight incredibly easy with just NPC summons, the only danger was getting hit during phase transition, which after your first/second attempt becomes little more than a cool visual.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

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ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ님이 먼저 게시:

Normally I would agree with Veteran's and Radahn's, but if the type of players put into question are "noobs" to which acquire low style but easy to get armors then Radahn's and Veteran's don't really meet those qualifications.

Radahn and Commander aren't easy bosses by the average standard, in my opinion, and are mid to late game bosses.

Both the Drangleic and Fallen Knight sets are acquired very early, and with lesser requirements (Pursuer and Vordt).

You're also forgetting the fact that Radahn was heavily nerfed and remained that way for some time. This made the fight incredibly easy with just NPC summons, the only danger was getting hit during phase transition, which after your first/second attempt becomes little more than a cool visual.

I think that's a little dismissive even with the nerf. More forgiving for sure, but especially by comparison Radahn is still one of the harder bosses in the game (there are a lot of bosses). If I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt maybe you just have better reflexes than average.

Even before nerf with the right build he could be made laughably easy (a buddy of mine just casted spells at him from horseback and didn't even see his phase two). But otherwise I still believe him to be honestly harder.

Pre-nerf it took me 30 tries to kill him solo without summons. Like the fourth highest death count in the game for me.

[deteringwilliam]

ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ님이 먼저 게시:

Normally I would agree with Veteran's and Radahn's, but if the type of players put into question are "noobs" to which acquire low style but easy to get armors then Radahn's and Veteran's don't really meet those qualifications.

Radahn and Commander aren't easy bosses by the average standard, in my opinion, and are mid to late game bosses.

Both the Drangleic and Fallen Knight sets are acquired very early, and with lesser requirements (Pursuer and Vordt).

Veteran's has arguably the best overall weight to overall defense ratio. Ronin's has a comparable ratio, but it is much lighter, and therefore, doesn't give as much protection. It's no secret at this point that noobs also tend to have their friends carry them. As a result, Veteran's and Bull-Goat's are two of the most common sets in multiplayer. Veteran's because of the aforementioned weight to defense ratio, Bull-Goat's because it is the tankiest armor in the game. Radahn's is still common, but not quite as much as it used to be.