Question about Lance

[777]

Has anyone gone through the game with this weapon from the beginning to the end of the game? I want to know how it is in practice.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Lance - It is this weapon

[Sabaithal]

Messaggio originale di Lenox:

I've used it for the first half of the game and it staggers quite nicely. Great against Scaly Misbegottens, since they're weak to pierce damage. It should be good against dragons since they're also weak to pierce damage, but since its moveset doesn't have an upward swing, I found I needed another pierce weapon for that.

If it can be infused with an Ash of War you could attach giant hunt to it, since it has an upward swing at the end. Quite powerful too.

[Lenox]

Messaggio originale di Sabaithal:

Messaggio originale di Lenox:

I've used it for the first half of the game and it staggers quite nicely. Great against Scaly Misbegottens, since they're weak to pierce damage. It should be good against dragons since they're also weak to pierce damage, but since its moveset doesn't have an upward swing, I found I needed another pierce weapon for that.

If it can be infused with an Ash of War you could attach giant hunt to it, since it has an upward swing at the end. Quite powerful too.

That's a damn good point. I didn't get far enough in my lance playthrough to use more ashes of war on it.

[Gob]

For PvE, a Lance is a fair weapon that can hit like a train when fully upgraded, but its a bit slow and with a limited hit box. So you might find it not the best against smaller, agile foes.
You can make it a main weapon for a playthru but I'd recommend also having other weapons for different circumstances.

[C1REX]

If I was a youtuber I would make a video about this specific weapon and spears in general.
But because I’m not a youtuber I will drop this random video.

https://youtu.be/IvhZW_oGCa8

After finishing the game about 10 times I’m convinced that this class of weapons is the best in the game for pve and top tier for pvp.
Because of being able to block and attack at the same time it’s OP easy mode for pve.

Mogh’s Trident has good weapon art but for everything else I think the spear is a better weapon. Luckily you can use both at the same time.
S tier weapon for me personally.

[Gob]

For a shield and poke PvE build I really don't get the rave reviews for the Lance compared to the Godskin Stitcher.
With the same char stats, the GS does significantly more damage, plus strike repeat speed is quicker, further increasing DOT. The only advantages of the lance is that its fractionally longer and you can get it earlier in the game.

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di Gob:

For a shield and poke PvE build I really don't get the rave reviews for the Lance compared to the Godskin Stitcher.
With the same char stats, the GS does significantly more damage, plus strike repeat speed is quicker, further increasing DOT. The only advantages of the lance is that its fractionally longer and you can get it earlier in the game.

I think both weapons are considered top tier for both pvp and pve.
Small difference in moveset, available ashes of war and poise damage. Damage is about the same I believe depending of affinity.

[Gob]

Messaggio originale di C1REX-PL:

. Damage is about the same I believe depending of affinity.

There's something a little screwy about the damage stats of the two weapons.
When looking at the stats, they have similar scaling and AP for the same AoW and affinity. However, when you look at the damage they do against a mob you find that the GS does around 15-20% more damage per hit.
E.g. I just went and tested it against a mob and got 932 damage per hit with the lance and 1102 with the GS.

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di Gob:

There's something a little screwy about the damage stats of the two weapons.
When looking at the stats, they have similar scaling and AP for the same AoW and affinity. However, when you look at the damage they do against a mob you find that the GS does around 15-20% more damage per hit.
E.g. I just went and tested it against a mob and got 932 damage per hit with the lance and 1102 with the GS.

I think you are right.
I've noticed the same issue with Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear and Bloody Halice.
With the same stats I had much higher AR value with the trident but actual damage per poke while bloking was higher when using Bloody Halice rapier. I thought that split damage is to blame. Now I'm not so sure.
It seems that AR doesn't say much when comparing weapons with different moveset.
I guess that only backstab and crit from the front will be calculated the same way for every weapon while everything else will be modified per move. Different moveset - different damage.

I guess people need to actualy test weapons in real life as the damage calculators can be very misleading.

[vaanomega]

The lance is pretty powerfull, if i remember correctly, it's the only great spear than can change the Ash of War, so, it's the best Great Spear if you want to use some specific ashes of war, mixed with a Great shield, you become basically a Lance user from Monster Hunter

Personnaly, i do prefere the Treespear as a STR/FAITH user, plus the Treespear could use some Enchanting buffs like Electify Armament