Going hard into poise/armor still isn't very rewarding.

[meow]

I have a character with 60 vigor, 50 stamina, banished knight armor (best looking poise armor) and now post-patch I have 83 poise (111 with bull-goat talisman) and I rarely feel like I'm being rewarded for all of this defensive focus.

To be fair I don't use colossal weapons. I have a banished knight shield, heavy lordsworn straight sword with square off, and heavy banished knight sword with stomp.

It just really doesn't feel like putting all of the points and effort into defensive stats pays off very much. Even after nerfing a lot of the cringe tactics, there's still a lot of people running builds that one or two hit average players and on this very extremely defense oriented character I rarely survive a single extra hit over other builds.

Maybe it's a problem with the game in general. The very strategy oriented combat of the Dark Souls games has been wholesale replaced with a very simple-minded weapon art oriented pvp meta and I don't think any amount of number tweaking at this point will be able to correct for that.

[Forest]

Why they didn’t just copy DS2’s poise system is beyond me.

[Grad]

So poise in elden ring really only seems to work if you are actively swinging your weapon. If you are just sprinting around and get hit you will still stagger, but while attacking you *should* not stagger.
Don't quote me on this but it seems this is the case.

[Señor Brown]

Originally posted by Forest:

Why they didn’t just copy DS2’s poise system is beyond me.

Because they combined DS2 active poise with DS3 hyperarmor. If you don't use attacks that grant hyperarmor, you are already using DS2 active poise in Elden Ring.

EDIT: wording

[meow]

Originally posted by Grad:

So poise in elden ring really only seems to work if you are actively swinging your weapon. If you are just sprinting around and get hit you will still stagger, but while attacking you *should* not stagger.
Don't quote me on this but it seems this is the case.

https://youtu.be/qeRVJOYQURM

[meow]

Originally posted by Señor Brown:

Originally posted by Forest:

Why they didn’t just copy DS2’s poise system is beyond me.

Because they combined DS2 active poise with DS3 hyperarmor. If you don't use attacks that grant hyperarmor, you are already using DS2 active poise in Elden Ring.

EDIT: wording

that's all largely irrelevant because of the hyperinflated damage numbers in Elden Ring, especially the Weapon Arts that do anywhere from 3x to 10x as much damage as standard attacks

and there's definitely something to be said of the penalty-free dual wielding that lets you get ridiculously high single hit damage on jumping/sprinting L1 attacks as well

[Señor Brown]

Originally posted by Honk: Showclown:

Originally posted by Señor Brown:

Because they combined DS2 active poise with DS3 hyperarmor. If you don't use attacks that grant hyperarmor, you are already using DS2 active poise in Elden Ring.

EDIT: wording

that's all largely irrelevant because of the hyperinflated damage numbers in Elden Ring, especially the Weapon Arts that do anywhere from 3x to 10x as much damage as standard attacks

and there's definitely something to be said of the penalty-free dual wielding that lets you get ridiculously high single hit damage on jumping/sprinting L1 attacks as well

Well, what are the rest of your attributes? Are you STR, DEX, INT, FAI, ARC, or a hybrid? What rune level and highest weapon upgrade?

[Grad]

Originally posted by Honk: Showclown:

Originally posted by Grad:

So poise in elden ring really only seems to work if you are actively swinging your weapon. If you are just sprinting around and get hit you will still stagger, but while attacking you *should* not stagger.
Don't quote me on this but it seems this is the case.

https://youtu.be/qeRVJOYQURM

tl;dr? its a 47min video...

[Fineous🔥]

You are right , its not rewarding at all. You should do your best to reach the maximum mitigation posible without ultra-heavy armor, light roll will always be your best defense against any threat.
Since i prefer experimental results more than theory i show you this.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2876284572

This is the max poise and damage mitigation. Looks good, right? It is but just against hard hitters like the fire giant, anything attacking fast without breaks (3 lousy rats....or Malenia) will still be a threat and even stagger you.

If we are talking about PVP, i also tested it and i was unkillable.

[NineChameleon]

Originally posted by Grad:

Originally posted by Honk: Showclown:

https://youtu.be/qeRVJOYQURM

tl;dr? its a 47min video...

TLDR is poise functions differently for players than it does for enemies. If you divide your poise number by 10 that's about what you have compared to enemies poise.

Enemies have flat poise that reset pretty quickly.
Players have inherently low poise which means even at the highest possible poise you will still only be able to take 1 hit or so if you're just standing. However, there are some weapon attacks that will temporarily give you extra poise AND reset your poise meter.
If you dont use these attacks it actually takes something like a ten minutes for your poise to recover from a hit. (I don't know if that's actually the amount of time but i know it's a higher than reasonable amount of time. I watched the video a while ago)

Players do not follow the same rules in response to poise damage from weapons and weapon arts however. PvP is set up to have different rules to PvE.

A defense build should not focus on poise in other words. It's a trap stat in Elden Ring as its not very beneficial for pve or pvp. Swap bullgoat for dragon greatshield talisman and pearldrake +3 and laugh at bosses who can no longer kill you in a couple hits.

And then put on a great shield and laugh at how they can't damage you. While you get a bunch of free guard counters.

[Daegon]

Not getting staggered by enemies in certain situations saves your life more than you think.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Grad:

Originally posted by Honk: Showclown:

https://youtu.be/qeRVJOYQURM

tl;dr? its a 47min video...

That if you watched at least 10min of it you would be interested in watching the remaining 37min and would have your questions answered.

[Grad]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by Grad:

tl;dr? its a 47min video...

That if you watched at least 10min of it you would be interested in watching the remaining 37min and would have your questions answered.

Why do you think I would watch a 47min video when the gist can be explained in a few sentences like how NineChameleon did?
Just because I play Elden Ring a lot doesn't mean I have infinite free time.

[NeonAtari]

vigor over all other stats for defense

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Grad:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

That if you watched at least 10min of it you would be interested in watching the remaining 37min and would have your questions answered.

Why do you think I would watch a 47min video when the gist can be explained in a few sentences like how NineChameleon did?
Just because I play Elden Ring a lot doesn't mean I have infinite free time.

You still waste time on the forum be it you are right or not (despite your time being "so valuable" ).
Also, a generic e xplanation may "be enough for those that dont care" like you, but the video explain more than enough to understand and take advantage or know when you can not do it and why.

But hey, from your answer I guess NineChameleon reply was even too big and prob you read just 50% of it, right? (well, topic was worth for me, you are not worth replying more than that).

[Sabaithal]

From what I understand the larger weapons gain more benefit from poise, IE harder to stagger when swinging compared to small weapons.