I am at RL1 and I can't beat Malenia. Waterfowl Dance is truly the most unfair attack in any Souls game.

[Evoxrus XV]

Being at a higher level means I can make more errors and do more damage like others, but for a RL1 run I do not have that luxury. All her moves from her first and second phases are easily dodgeble except that one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ waterfowl dance. And she does it more than once.

Closest I got her down to so far is almost halfway down her health in second phase but she spammed that thing 6 times throughout the fight. 6. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Times. You need to remove camera lock to even have a chance of surviving it or hope your far away. I am convinced it is broken and unfair. If it had a little more delay perhaps it would be fair, but she can use it anytime without warning very wucikly.

There is no build up to warn you its coming like Rykards and Malikeths super attacks, nor is there a delay to give you a chance to even prepare the dodges. It just hits you and your done. I have beaten Malenia 12 times now on various characters, but this RL1 run has shown me how truly unfair it is when almost no error is allowed. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ add a bigger delay or waring to it man.

[harf4ng]

To avoid that I use bloodhound's step so I can quickly teleport away. Does not always work but this helps
Or you have to use a big weapon like the flamberge with a good Ash of war and chain stun her so she is unable to use her waterfowl dance.
And yes indeed this dance is a nuisance :)
Also I have read you could know when she is going to do that because she does a few side steps before that. Never checked that though.

[Evoxrus XV]

Messaggio originale di harf4ng:

To avoid that I use bloodhound's step so I can quickly teleport away. Does not always work but this helps
Or you have to use a big weapon like the flamberge with a good Ash of war and chain stun her so she is unable to use her waterfowl dance.
And yes indeed this dance is a nuisance :)

I have been using BHS. The funniest thing is that I am only using it just to dodge her Waterfowl Dance, every other move I just dodge normally to save my already limited supply of FP. And even then BHS can't save you if you don't do it right. Its such a badly designed move man.

[♔V3RD1CT]

Told everyone months ago how. Being so thick you all think you're right about anything is always incorrect. Run, roll run.
Real common sense factor, but takes practice, and is best done with BS like harf mentioned above. Distance into roll away from teleport of second phase of attack, into run more distance. Essentially it can be retreated void of any damage. Time your mid run pause into roll with her teleport on you.

Last time I'll ever say it, this entire Elden forum is a disease, and undeserving of any facts.

[Sonnenbank]

Get good >-< or in case you dont want to get good use barricade shield.

Barricade Shield is made to destroy malenia.

Here you can see me close range waterfowl get good method (0.38)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBQ5DLl6neQ&ab_channel=lordad

here barricade shield method (2.15min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X0aqVBUih4&t=130s&ab_channel=lordad

or you can just bait ranged waterfowl with a spell
ranged waterfowl is really easy to dodge. (2.50) you can see me dodge ranged waterfowl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGVDZS-bYg&ab_channel=lordad

I think complaining about malenia is really months too late.

Either be good
or use the tools the game gives u....

[darksouls]

Messaggio originale di harf4ng:

To avoid that I use bloodhound's step so I can quickly teleport away. Does not always work but this helps
Or you have to use a big weapon like the flamberge with a good Ash of war and chain stun her so she is unable to use her waterfowl dance.
And yes indeed this dance is a nuisance :)
Also I have read you could know when she is going to do that because she does a few side steps before that. Never checked that though.

say, my good man,

what ash of war do you speak of?

[Sabaithal]

Avoiding waterfowl, simplified:
- First flurry, outrun it, then evade backwards
- Second flurry, evade backwards
- Third flurry, move forward and evade forwards

[♔V3RD1CT]

Messaggio originale di Sabaithal:

Avoiding waterfowl, simplified:
- First flurry, outrun it, then evade backwards
- Second flurry, evade backwards
- Third flurry, move forward and evade forwards

Only partially correct.
Second flurry is where you desperately want to use constant roll away, or ashes for retreat like QS or BHS.
The teleport will snare you for just trying to run away from it almost every time. On rare occ it will be directly behind you so direct 180 degree run can work.

[harf4ng]

Messaggio originale di n/a:

what ash of war do you speak of?

:beeped:

Don't remember the one. This is an Ash of war that makes you swing your sword in front of you as long as you keep the button pressed. Works best if malenia is against a wall. I also used my mimic so I have twice the move.
Also if you're int you can put cold on your sword for the freeze effect. She is weak to that.

[Kyutaru]

Just walk through it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhkGaK-IKQ

[Sabaithal]

Messaggio originale di harf4ng:

Messaggio originale di n/a:

what ash of war do you speak of?

:beeped:

Don't remember the one. This is an Ash of war that makes you swing your sword in front of you as long as you keep the button pressed. Works best if malenia is against a wall. I also used my mimic so I have twice the move.
Also if you're int you can put cold on your sword for the freeze effect. She is weak to that.

Sounds like Wild Strikes

[True Spino]

Messaggio originale di ttv:Smokes™:

Told everyone months ago how. Being so thick you all think you're right about anything is always incorrect. Run, roll run.
Real common sense factor, but takes practice, and is best done with BS like harf mentioned above. Distance into roll away from teleport of second phase of attack, into run more distance. Essentially it can be retreated void of any damage. Time your mid run pause into roll with her teleport on you.

Last time I'll ever say it, this entire Elden forum is a disease, and undeserving of any facts.

what are you on about

[darksouls]

Messaggio originale di Sabaithal:

Messaggio originale di harf4ng:

Don't remember the one. This is an Ash of war that makes you swing your sword in front of you as long as you keep the button pressed. Works best if malenia is against a wall. I also used my mimic so I have twice the move.
Also if you're int you can put cold on your sword for the freeze effect. She is weak to that.

Sounds like Wild Strikes

niiice

[CourtesyFlush09]

Messaggio originale di True Spino:

Messaggio originale di ttv:Smokes™:

Told everyone months ago how. Being so thick you all think you're right about anything is always incorrect. Run, roll run.
Real common sense factor, but takes practice, and is best done with BS like harf mentioned above. Distance into roll away from teleport of second phase of attack, into run more distance. Essentially it can be retreated void of any damage. Time your mid run pause into roll with her teleport on you.

Last time I'll ever say it, this entire Elden forum is a disease, and undeserving of any facts.

what are you on about

My guy calls this forum a "disease" yet writes an entire paragraph XD

[MundM]

It's a bit hard to take that complain seriously, given that RL1 is not intended for any enemy after the tutorial area. You wanted a challenge, you got it.

[Dollmaker]

Just saying that if youre struggling to dodge Waterfowl Dance with freaking BHS of all things, then... idk what to tell you mate.

Back when i used BHS before i got sick by how BS it was, Waterfowl Dance was a joke, and i didnt even needed outside of the first Flurry which is the real challenge of WD, the second and third ones are easy to dodge.